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12-13-2020, 02:50 AM
#831
The NeverEnding Story
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I'm not denying that COVID hospitalizations and ICU admissions are up substantially, or that SOME hospitals in SOME locations are nearing capacity.
However...
I used to work for a company whose bread and butter was designing ICUs for hospitals. In non-pandemic times, ICU census is normally 70-90% of capacity. ICUs and associated equipment are expensive and no hospital (note: most hospitals are nonprofit) is going to invest millions of dollars into physical property that normally sits and doesn't regularly generate revenue. "Only 10% ICU capacity" on its face indicates more than normal ICU occupancy but does not necessarily indicate "overwhelmed" if you are talking base ICU capacity. All hospitals have surge ICU capacity protocols for things like pandemics and mass casualty events, and if ICU capacity remaining figures include surge capacity that does represent an issue.
However...
I used to work for a company whose bread and butter was designing ICUs for hospitals. In non-pandemic times, ICU census is normally 70-90% of capacity. ICUs and associated equipment are expensive and no hospital (note: most hospitals are nonprofit) is going to invest millions of dollars into physical property that normally sits and doesn't regularly generate revenue. "Only 10% ICU capacity" on its face indicates more than normal ICU occupancy but does not necessarily indicate "overwhelmed" if you are talking base ICU capacity. All hospitals have surge ICU capacity protocols for things like pandemics and mass casualty events, and if ICU capacity remaining figures include surge capacity that does represent an issue.
12-13-2020, 06:53 AM
#832
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Posts: 1,052
Originally Posted by BoilerUP
I'm not denying that COVID hospitalizations and ICU admissions are up substantially, or that SOME hospitals in SOME locations are nearing capacity.
However...
I used to work for a company whose bread and butter was designing ICUs for hospitals. In non-pandemic times, ICU census is normally 70-90% of capacity. ICUs and associated equipment are expensive and no hospital (note: most hospitals are nonprofit) is going to invest millions of dollars into physical property that normally sits and doesn't regularly generate revenue. "Only 10% ICU capacity" on its face indicates more than normal ICU occupancy but does not necessarily indicate "overwhelmed" if you are talking base ICU capacity. All hospitals have surge ICU capacity protocols for things like pandemics and mass casualty events, and if ICU capacity remaining figures include surge capacity that does represent an issue.
However...
I used to work for a company whose bread and butter was designing ICUs for hospitals. In non-pandemic times, ICU census is normally 70-90% of capacity. ICUs and associated equipment are expensive and no hospital (note: most hospitals are nonprofit) is going to invest millions of dollars into physical property that normally sits and doesn't regularly generate revenue. "Only 10% ICU capacity" on its face indicates more than normal ICU occupancy but does not necessarily indicate "overwhelmed" if you are talking base ICU capacity. All hospitals have surge ICU capacity protocols for things like pandemics and mass casualty events, and if ICU capacity remaining figures include surge capacity that does represent an issue.
Here's the same website again that no one will look at albeit with a different data set. This one percentage of occupied ICU beds. Highest in CA 84.75%, none at 100%, and most right around 75%. Updated this morning at 1am.
Percentage of occupied ICU beds.
12-13-2020, 07:22 AM
#833
Perennial Reserve
Joined APC: Jan 2018
Posts: 11,579
Originally Posted by BoilerUP
I'm not denying that COVID hospitalizations and ICU admissions are up substantially, or that SOME hospitals in SOME locations are nearing capacity.
However...
I used to work for a company whose bread and butter was designing ICUs for hospitals. In non-pandemic times, ICU census is normally 70-90% of capacity. ICUs and associated equipment are expensive and no hospital (note: most hospitals are nonprofit) is going to invest millions of dollars into physical property that normally sits and doesn't regularly generate revenue. "Only 10% ICU capacity" on its face indicates more than normal ICU occupancy but does not necessarily indicate "overwhelmed" if you are talking base ICU capacity. All hospitals have surge ICU capacity protocols for things like pandemics and mass casualty events, and if ICU capacity remaining figures include surge capacity that does represent an issue.
However...
I used to work for a company whose bread and butter was designing ICUs for hospitals. In non-pandemic times, ICU census is normally 70-90% of capacity. ICUs and associated equipment are expensive and no hospital (note: most hospitals are nonprofit) is going to invest millions of dollars into physical property that normally sits and doesn't regularly generate revenue. "Only 10% ICU capacity" on its face indicates more than normal ICU occupancy but does not necessarily indicate "overwhelmed" if you are talking base ICU capacity. All hospitals have surge ICU capacity protocols for things like pandemics and mass casualty events, and if ICU capacity remaining figures include surge capacity that does represent an issue.
12-13-2020, 08:16 AM
#835
Speed, Power, Accuracy
Joined APC: Sep 2007
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Posts: 1,703
Originally Posted by BoilerUP
I'm not denying that COVID hospitalizations and ICU admissions are up substantially, or that SOME hospitals in SOME locations are nearing capacity.
However...
I used to work for a company whose bread and butter was designing ICUs for hospitals. In non-pandemic times, ICU census is normally 70-90% of capacity. ICUs and associated equipment are expensive and no hospital (note: most hospitals are nonprofit) is going to invest millions of dollars into physical property that normally sits and doesn't regularly generate revenue. "Only 10% ICU capacity" on its face indicates more than normal ICU occupancy but does not necessarily indicate "overwhelmed" if you are talking base ICU capacity. All hospitals have surge ICU capacity protocols for things like pandemics and mass casualty events, and if ICU capacity remaining figures include surge capacity that does represent an issue.
However...
I used to work for a company whose bread and butter was designing ICUs for hospitals. In non-pandemic times, ICU census is normally 70-90% of capacity. ICUs and associated equipment are expensive and no hospital (note: most hospitals are nonprofit) is going to invest millions of dollars into physical property that normally sits and doesn't regularly generate revenue. "Only 10% ICU capacity" on its face indicates more than normal ICU occupancy but does not necessarily indicate "overwhelmed" if you are talking base ICU capacity. All hospitals have surge ICU capacity protocols for things like pandemics and mass casualty events, and if ICU capacity remaining figures include surge capacity that does represent an issue.
Hospital census statistics are being exploited to heighten FEAR, not to reflect reality.
People who are poor, ignorant and afraid are MUCH easier to manipulate and control. This has been the hallmark of the autocrat playbook for centuries.
12-13-2020, 12:59 PM
#836
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Posts: 11,579
Originally Posted by ACEssXfer
I believe most of the data websites are using "staffed beds."
https://www.mercatus.org/publication...tificates-need
12-13-2020, 01:18 PM
#837
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Posts: 1,052
Originally Posted by Excargodog
I don’t believe so. I believe most data is based on authorized ICU beds approved through the certificate of need process.
https://www.mercatus.org/publication...tificates-need
https://www.mercatus.org/publication...tificates-need
That said, are we assuming that hospital systems are reporting an inflated capacity to .gov types via saying they have beds that cannot actually be staffed? This seems like the opposite of what they’d really want to do.
12-13-2020, 02:57 PM
#838
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Originally Posted by ACEssXfer
That said, are we assuming that hospital systems are reporting an inflated capacity to .gov types via saying they have beds that cannot actually be staffed? This seems like the opposite of what they’d really want to do.
California Hospital Association CEO warns staffing ICU beds becoming critical issue
She said focusing on how many beds are left can be misleading.
“It’s not really about the bed, it’s not about the mattress, it’s not about the pillow. It’s about that highly trained critical care nurse,” Coyle said.
She added those nurses were available during the first surge because California was an early surge state.
But the latest surge is different.
“They are all in the Midwest and the mountain states. Hospitals report being unable to secure, no matter the price, those travel nurses,” Coyle explained.
The shortage has stopped hospitals like UC Davis Medical Center from expanding their ICU capacity.
“We have 84 adult ICU beds and we have plans to surge up to 200. That is what we could do, but not without more ICU nurses,” said one UC Davis doctor during a briefing with Governor Newsom.
12-13-2020, 04:10 PM
#839
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Joined APC: Jul 2013
Posts: 4,688
Originally Posted by ACEssXfer
This. As I said hospitals don't sit there with extra capacity. They are typically up to 75% full on a normal pre covid day. I guess I need to "watch the news" more. People can keep ignoring the data(numbers on a website) though and just go by what the 6pm news anchor tells you.
Originally Posted by Knobcrk1
The media isn’t there to paint positivity and wishes, it’s there to paint the reality whether you like it or not.
12-13-2020, 04:49 PM
#840
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Posts: 2,465
Originally Posted by John Carr
The panicking alarmist that told you that posted this long ago;
After that, I stopped taking their rants seriously and now just read them for sheer entertainment value.
After that, I stopped taking their rants seriously and now just read them for sheer entertainment value.
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