Hawaii... WTF?
09-23-2020, 08:49 AM
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Originally Posted by kingairfun
Another news outlet revealed emails between HPD leaders... One HPD head was not happy with how few citations were being issued. (apparently the Covid Task Force is a voluntary overtime job paid by CARES ACT dollars, thus they want results) Apparently they wanted more citations per officer per day... Que Granny getting a citation for sitting on a bench, or an elderly couple getting a citation for eating takeout in their car at a boat launch.
The reason Caldwell made beaches and parks single person only, was to be able to police it... (paraphrasing his own words) It had nothing to do with data or science relating to Covid.
My personal favorite is citing homeless outdoors... Yeah that'll teach 'em!!!
Hawaii is as close to a police State as they get. Scare the people with headlines and social media and they will turn on each other faster than a you can say Covid.
The reason Caldwell made beaches and parks single person only, was to be able to police it... (paraphrasing his own words) It had nothing to do with data or science relating to Covid.
My personal favorite is citing homeless outdoors... Yeah that'll teach 'em!!!
Hawaii is as close to a police State as they get. Scare the people with headlines and social media and they will turn on each other faster than a you can say Covid.
09-23-2020, 09:12 AM
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HONOLULU (KHON2) — A total of 2,501 jobs were cut from Hawaiian Airlines.
One thousand eight hundred and fifty Hawaiian Airlines contract employees accepted voluntary packages for retirement or extended leave, while 466 were laid off.
Hawaiian Airlines said more furloughs could be on the way if the pre-travel testing program gets delayed again.
Governor David Ige announced on Sept. 16 that the date for the program will begin on Oct. 15.
Hawaiian Airlines said that the number of flights and workers it is able to keep will depend on how the rollout of the pre-travel testing program goes.
“Well, I think unquestionably, if October 15 is pushed again. I think our outlook for next year, next summer will deteriorate,” said Hawaiian Airlines chief operating officer Jon Snook. “We’ll probably end up having to furlough more people and we’ll be an even smaller airline next summer.”
Snook said each delay of the pre-travel testing program has been a hit to the business.
At the end of July, the company had 7,447 employees. The carrier projects that number to be 4,946 at the beginning of October.
One thousand eight hundred and fifty Hawaiian Airlines contract employees accepted voluntary packages for retirement or extended leave, while 466 were laid off.
Hawaiian Airlines said more furloughs could be on the way if the pre-travel testing program gets delayed again.
Governor David Ige announced on Sept. 16 that the date for the program will begin on Oct. 15.
Hawaiian Airlines said that the number of flights and workers it is able to keep will depend on how the rollout of the pre-travel testing program goes.
“Well, I think unquestionably, if October 15 is pushed again. I think our outlook for next year, next summer will deteriorate,” said Hawaiian Airlines chief operating officer Jon Snook. “We’ll probably end up having to furlough more people and we’ll be an even smaller airline next summer.”
Snook said each delay of the pre-travel testing program has been a hit to the business.
At the end of July, the company had 7,447 employees. The carrier projects that number to be 4,946 at the beginning of October.
for that matter, they currently don’t have the capability to test the people who want to fly between islands within the state itself.
09-23-2020, 09:30 AM
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Originally Posted by RustyChain
it's beautiful. I've never felt less welcome as a visitor of anyplace I've ever been.
The Bahamas had that problem about 25-30 years ago and it was killing their only industry - tourism. The government there made a concerted effort to remind the populace to be nice to the visitors, and it worked.
Not sure if the Hawaiians will ever get that. I texted back and forth with a Hawaiian pilot I know, and even he said that the locals are happy to have the islands to themselves.
Short sighted attitude, for sure.
I flew one trip to HNL early this month, and the place was a relative ghost town, compared to the hustle and bustle that used to be Honolulu pre-Covid. The other five trips planned this month were all cancelled. Good riddance.
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09-23-2020, 10:47 AM
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Originally Posted by firefighterplt
Flew into Hickam a number of years ago. Spent two days in town. Check in the block, no desire to ever go back. Expensive and overrated.
09-23-2020, 10:50 AM
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Originally Posted by firefighterplt
Flew into Hickam a number of years ago. Spent two days in town. Check in the block, no desire to ever go back. Expensive and overrated.
09-23-2020, 10:57 AM
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Originally Posted by RustyChain
it's beautiful. I've never felt less welcome as a visitor of anyplace I've ever been.
So many were already dependent on gov't handouts that they feel little effect from the lockdowns and quarantines. Many actually believe that they can have a self sustaining economy of farming, tech, and manufacturing. Those are the ones who have been off the rock and have gone to Vegas a few times.
Caldwell "loosened" restrictions to slightly better and still the worst in the US, and the news media acted like he gave everyone on Oahu a present. Maybe it's the higher percentage of people from countries that are used to this gov't control out here? There is an apparent feeling of acceptance to all this BS. ( I've read several articles that allude to Hawaii citizens being more accepting of gov't control vs. typical lower 48 residents.)
09-23-2020, 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by kingairfun
I fully expect some protesting outside the airports if this Oct. 15th opening truly happens. "Tourists go home" "Hawaii is not open" seem to be the two most common catch phrases for 2020.
So many were already dependent on gov't handouts that they feel little effect from the lockdowns and quarantines. Many actually believe that they can have a self sustaining economy of farming, tech, and manufacturing. Those are the ones who have been off the rock and have gone to Vegas a few times.
Caldwell "loosened" restrictions to slightly better and still the worst in the US, and the news media acted like he gave everyone on Oahu a present. Maybe it's the higher percentage of people from countries that are used to this gov't control out here? There is an apparent feeling of acceptance to all this BS. ( I've read several articles that allude to Hawaii citizens being more accepting of gov't control vs. typical lower 48 residents.)
So many were already dependent on gov't handouts that they feel little effect from the lockdowns and quarantines. Many actually believe that they can have a self sustaining economy of farming, tech, and manufacturing. Those are the ones who have been off the rock and have gone to Vegas a few times.
Caldwell "loosened" restrictions to slightly better and still the worst in the US, and the news media acted like he gave everyone on Oahu a present. Maybe it's the higher percentage of people from countries that are used to this gov't control out here? There is an apparent feeling of acceptance to all this BS. ( I've read several articles that allude to Hawaii citizens being more accepting of gov't control vs. typical lower 48 residents.)
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