Excargodog

Never give an order you lack the resources or will to enforce.

Military command 101.

How many people have ever been convicted of that law? I mean, considering we have 1.2 MILLION people in the US who all got HIV from someone?

And for extra credit, Prohibition was passed as a friggin’ CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT, not a mere ‘law.’ With bipartisan supermajorities in the House, the Senate, and 80%+ of the legislatures in the 48 states. Yet how well did THAT work out?

I’m neither anti science nor an anarchist, but you can’t push a friggin string. Some fights need to be won in the hearts and minds of the people - hard and time-consuming as that is - rather than by the police action of the government. I don’t mind you WISHING things were different, Hell, I wish things were different, but they aren’t.

You got to deal with reality, not what you wish reality was.

You aren’t ever getting that unicorn...

da42pilot

Sweden closing the gap with Denmark and Norway:

https://ourworldindata.org/coronavir...pickerSort=asc

firefighterplt

I would argue that it’s easier to slip a jimmy hat on than it is to hold your breath while doing the deed.

Although I could probably hold mine for the requisite 20-30 seconds, so I’m good.

Excargodog

Ultimately, all pandemics trend lower given time, if only because you’ve killed off the most at-risk people in each population.

GateAgent007

I definitely wasn't saying that's going to happen, but it was to reach a mutual understanding. You point to the AIDS epidemic as a comparison of human behavior, well there are similar examples of efforts to rein in that behavior, up to and including jail time.

There will need be efforts for this going forward to steer behavior in this pandemic too .. otherwise we're screwed. Carrot. Stick. Maybe a little of both.

But right now we're not doing sh*t.

da42pilot

Easy and desirable are two things. Condoms, unfortunately, get in the way of great sex not because they’re difficult, but because they take a lot of the pleasure away.

firefighterplt

Fair. Sidebar here, but the Trojan bareskin ones are actually pretty dope. Normal ones are like wearing a sock in comparison.

Can’t speak to the female side of things, though.

Excargodog

We MOSTLY aren’t in a shooting civil war either. In 2019, there were 697,195 full-time law enforcement officers employed in the United States. It takes five manpower authorizations to keep a 24/7/365 slot manned, allowing for sick time, vacations, and mandatory training. That means at any given time you have - on average - 140,000 cops on duty, over 50 states, each with about 30 square miles to cover.

In 2019 there were an estimated 415 MILLION firearms in the United States in private hands. Enforcing laws that a large number of people will disrespect can only provoke worse problems. It doesn’t matter the intent.

Not doing $hit ain’t the worst thing we can do...

Duffman

If someone is willing to commit domestic terrorism over mask laws during a respiratory virus pandemic, then they're in a cult.

Excargodog

I’m in a county where the county sheriff publicly stated ON DAY ONE that none of his deputies would enforce the governor’s mask mandate, and I live in the most liberal side of a very liberal state. And one doesn’t HAVEto “commit domestic terrorism” to be a scofflaw. Again, look at Prohibition. Mostly passive resistance, except for the organized criminals rum-running. You know, like JFK’s daddy.

https://time.com/3529756/kennedy-chu...vestment-deal/

Same with marijuana. Don’t get me wrong, I don’t like marijuana, I am in fact allergic to marijuana. Sneezed my fool head off Friday nights in the dorm my freshman year in college, but seriously...





a year in jail and $1000 for simple possession for a first time offender for a small amount for his/her personal use? Or this:

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I mean, seriously, three years and $5000 for possession of a bong? Or a roach clip? Or a small capacity spoon? These laws were unenforceable - just like the Prohibition laws - because you couldn’t get 12 people on a jury stupid enough to vote for conviction, absent ethnic prejudices. Jury nullification is totally anathema to good government, but you can’t legislate unpopular ideas and not get it. Sixty percent of the cases brought to trial under Prohibition laws were nullified by the jury.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...overturn-laws/

You can’t push a string and it is erosive of support for any government to try.

And emotion charged name-calling, like “domestic terrorism” or “cult” simply makes that worse.