Why aren’t people doing “the right” thing?
11-16-2020, 07:09 AM
#103
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Originally Posted by Excargodog
I’m in a county where the county sheriff publicly stated ON DAY ONE that none of his deputies would enforce the governor’s mask mandate, and I live in the most liberal side of a very liberal state. And one doesn’t HAVEto “commit domestic terrorism” to be a scofflaw. Again, look at Prohibition. Mostly passive resistance, except for the organized criminals rum-running. You know, like JFK’s daddy.
https://time.com/3529756/kennedy-chu...vestment-deal/
Same with marijuana. Don’t get me wrong, I don’t like marijuana, I am in fact allergic to marijuana. Sneezed my fool head off Friday nights in the dorm my freshman year in college, but seriously...
a year in jail and $1000 for simple possession for a first time offender for a small amount for his/her personal use? Or this:
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I mean, seriously, three years and $5000 for possession of a bong? Or a roach clip? Or a small capacity spoon? These laws were unenforceable - just like the Prohibition laws - because you couldn’t get 12 people on a jury stupid enough to vote for conviction, absent ethnic prejudices. Jury nullification is totally anathema to good government, but you can’t legislate unpopular ideas and not get it. Sixty percent of the cases brought to trial under Prohibition laws were nullified by the jury.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...overturn-laws/
You can’t push a string and it is erosive of support for any government to try.
And emotion charged name-calling, like “domestic terrorism” or “cult” simply makes that worse.
https://time.com/3529756/kennedy-chu...vestment-deal/
Same with marijuana. Don’t get me wrong, I don’t like marijuana, I am in fact allergic to marijuana. Sneezed my fool head off Friday nights in the dorm my freshman year in college, but seriously...
a year in jail and $1000 for simple possession for a first time offender for a small amount for his/her personal use? Or this:
https:I mean, seriously, three years and $5000 for possession of a bong? Or a roach clip? Or a small capacity spoon? These laws were unenforceable - just like the Prohibition laws - because you couldn’t get 12 people on a jury stupid enough to vote for conviction, absent ethnic prejudices. Jury nullification is totally anathema to good government, but you can’t legislate unpopular ideas and not get it. Sixty percent of the cases brought to trial under Prohibition laws were nullified by the jury.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...overturn-laws/
You can’t push a string and it is erosive of support for any government to try.
And emotion charged name-calling, like “domestic terrorism” or “cult” simply makes that worse.
I asked the wifey what she thinks is causing the spike and she's speculating it's because people have been having lots of small gatherings within their pre-COVID social circles. She's not omniscient, but she has a lot more trend data than all of our anecdotal stories together.
The way I see it, if people are getting the virus from hanging out in small groups, taking their masks off, practicing CPR, etc, then there's nothing you can do to control it, except 'education,' which is similar to how we handle hookers and blow (from a public health stand point).
I still absolutely think there should be public mask laws because they work. Tons of studies show they work. Yes, the virus is smaller than the mask fabric mesh, but the virus is also usually riding droplets that are much larger. Also, they disrupt the airflow when people exhale, so their breath doesn't go nearly as far. The people spreading the virus don't know they have the virus, that's why they're saying sneezing in your mask is the new '****ting in your pants' in public. Given a choice of smashing up asbestos with a cloth mask or no mask, indoors or outdoors, windy or calm, what would you prefer? People don't get infected by one virus, it takes millions (which is still low compared to most viruses, apparently). Ideally wearing a mask during a pandemic just becomes 'manners,' like not walking around with your fly down and your dick out to feel the breeze on your balls. Liberating, yes. Inappropriate? Also, yes. And that won't give anyone else a virus from 6' away, no matter what type of unlicensed, seedy sex dens you've been to recently.
I think we're in agreement that you can't control what people do in private, but I still think that mask laws should be applied to public spaces because it's safer and makes people more comfortable, which means more business for everyone, and limits the spread of the virus between social circles.
11-16-2020, 08:23 AM
#104
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Originally Posted by Duffman
So, I'm definitely not emotional, but I can see how it came across that way.
I asked the wifey what she thinks is causing the spike and she's speculating it's because people have been having lots of small gatherings within their pre-COVID social circles. She's not omniscient, but she has a lot more trend data than all of our anecdotal stories together.
The way I see it, if people are getting the virus from hanging out in small groups, taking their masks off, practicing CPR, etc, then there's nothing you can do to control it, except 'education,' which is similar to how we handle hookers and blow (from a public health stand point).
I still absolutely think there should be public mask laws because they work. Tons of studies show they work. Yes, the virus is smaller than the mask fabric mesh, but the virus is also usually riding droplets that are much larger. Also, they disrupt the airflow when people exhale, so their breath doesn't go nearly as far. The people spreading the virus don't know they have the virus, that's why they're saying sneezing in your mask is the new '****ting in your pants' in public. Given a choice of smashing up asbestos with a cloth mask or no mask, indoors or outdoors, windy or calm, what would you prefer? People don't get infected by one virus, it takes millions (which is still low compared to most viruses, apparently). Ideally wearing a mask during a pandemic just becomes 'manners,' like not walking around with your fly down and your dick out to feel the breeze on your balls. Liberating, yes. Inappropriate? Also, yes. And that won't give anyone else a virus from 6' away, no matter what type of unlicensed, seedy sex dens you've been to recently.
I think we're in agreement that you can't control what people do in private, but I still think that mask laws should be applied to public spaces because it's safer and makes people more comfortable, which means more business for everyone, and limits the spread of the virus between social circles.
I asked the wifey what she thinks is causing the spike and she's speculating it's because people have been having lots of small gatherings within their pre-COVID social circles. She's not omniscient, but she has a lot more trend data than all of our anecdotal stories together.
The way I see it, if people are getting the virus from hanging out in small groups, taking their masks off, practicing CPR, etc, then there's nothing you can do to control it, except 'education,' which is similar to how we handle hookers and blow (from a public health stand point).
I still absolutely think there should be public mask laws because they work. Tons of studies show they work. Yes, the virus is smaller than the mask fabric mesh, but the virus is also usually riding droplets that are much larger. Also, they disrupt the airflow when people exhale, so their breath doesn't go nearly as far. The people spreading the virus don't know they have the virus, that's why they're saying sneezing in your mask is the new '****ting in your pants' in public. Given a choice of smashing up asbestos with a cloth mask or no mask, indoors or outdoors, windy or calm, what would you prefer? People don't get infected by one virus, it takes millions (which is still low compared to most viruses, apparently). Ideally wearing a mask during a pandemic just becomes 'manners,' like not walking around with your fly down and your dick out to feel the breeze on your balls. Liberating, yes. Inappropriate? Also, yes. And that won't give anyone else a virus from 6' away, no matter what type of unlicensed, seedy sex dens you've been to recently.
I think we're in agreement that you can't control what people do in private, but I still think that mask laws should be applied to public spaces because it's safer and makes people more comfortable, which means more business for everyone, and limits the spread of the virus between social circles.
11-16-2020, 08:34 AM
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Anybody all in on lockdowns needs to read NEJM study done by the USMC. Even the most severe lockdown enforced in a boot camp couldn’t stop the virus.
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2029717
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2029717
11-16-2020, 11:02 AM
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Originally Posted by galaxy flyer
Anybody all in on lockdowns needs to read NEJM study done by the USMC. Even the most severe lockdown enforced in a boot camp couldn’t stop the virus.
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2029717
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2029717
11-16-2020, 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Duffman
Could be Trump getting it and getting over it in like 4 days, emboldening people.
Could be cold weather forcing everyone inside.
Could be the vaccines in the near future (but not really)
Could be general complacency and "fatigue" in the population, testing the waters before deciding to get the family together for holidays.
Could be political rallies of all flavors.
My money is on general fatigue after everyone lost out on their summers
Could be cold weather forcing everyone inside.
Could be the vaccines in the near future (but not really)
Could be general complacency and "fatigue" in the population, testing the waters before deciding to get the family together for holidays.
Could be political rallies of all flavors.
My money is on general fatigue after everyone lost out on their summers
I'd have to go with cold weather and complacency/fatigue. People are just about over living like this and letting their guards down (in addition to the many, many idiots who just refuse to protect themselves and others).
11-16-2020, 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Merle Haggard
I don't think anyone expects it to be stopped entirely. Unless you do a control study and have a similar number of candidates proceed without mitigation and then compare the results this doesn't prove anything.
11-16-2020, 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Merle Haggard
I don't think anyone expects it to be stopped entirely. Unless you do a control study and have a similar number of candidates proceed without mitigation and then compare the results this doesn't prove anything.
11-16-2020, 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by TankerDriver
There's probably a pretty good chance Trump never had COVID. It was most likely a political stunt as I doubt someone his age would brush the virus off in 4 days while he worked at his desk at Walter Reed. Anyway....
I'd have to go with cold weather and complacency/fatigue. People are just about over living like this and letting their guards down (in addition to the many, many idiots who just refuse to protect themselves and others).
I'd have to go with cold weather and complacency/fatigue. People are just about over living like this and letting their guards down (in addition to the many, many idiots who just refuse to protect themselves and others).
Trump was treated immediately, by a large team of doctors, it's no surprise it was a nothingburger for him.
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