Nantonaku

You seem to put a lot of trust in the State (government). I can understand why, they do such a great job with education, health care, budgets, SS solvency and COVID response. Who could be better to trust with this vaccine rollout than the State.

GateAgent007

You are victim to a 30 year smear campaign on government. It's a shame really that you've fallen for it. Government is the only institution that can perform this role, and it's why we have one in the first place. You still haven't given any concrete concerns about this vaccine, just hinting at some sort of malicious conspiracy.

You wanna live like anarchists? Fine. We can go back to the stone age and hit each other with rocks. I'd prefer to put my faith in a government of the people to solve a national pandemic.

galaxy flyer

Government might be the ONLY one, but that doesn’t guarantee they’re good at it and, being a monopoly, means it’s unlikely they’ll be either good or the least expensive.

SonicFlyer

LOL wow.... someone is brainwashed...

Government doesn't need a smear campaign against it, it does a good enough job screwing up on its own. It is fundamentally incapable of doing anything right, which is why the less it does the better. It can't run the schools, the healthcare, the elections, it does a bad job at the wars and defense, etc.

And you want a bunch of politicians and bureaucrats to run something as important as dealing with the COVID crisis? They have already shown how bad they have screwed it up on all levels.

GateAgent007

Good is relative. Since no one else can perform this public service, then good is where you can find it.

I don't know if you've been paying attention, but the "free market" has been consolidating into a few global mega-corporations while you weren't looking. And let's not forget what the markup would be if this was run by private corps.

Government has value. Don't forget it.

wrxpilot

Why do you make such stupid statements? Do you not even read the stuff you post?

This study that you have posted simply shows the cutoff for testing at which people are less likely to be contagious. It certainly does not in any way support your statement.

Ronaldo

But we have cake makers and employers that CAN discriminate based on religious beliefs. So can businesses discriminate?

If the state can say you can’t eat at a Shoney’s because you don’t have a shirt on, they can probably say you can’t dine in person without evidence of vaccination.

Your AMERICAN RIGHT to have a second serving of mashed potatoes at the golden coral buffet, is impinged when you can’t reuse the same plate.

Public Health frequently wins over established constitutional protections. Religious based goat sacrifice vs public health, peyote being illegal still, marijuana (Rostafarians), etc.

I would probably offer a tax credit for vaccine uptake and encourage businesses to adopt a no shirt, no shoes, no vaccine, no service policy.

Mesabah

Why don't you think that one through again.

Flydafe

It’s too late for the vaccine. Business travel is probably not coming back like it was pre covid. They save money with zoom. Airlines will be smaller on the other side of this

Excargodog

A lot of people have problems with the fact that most of public health is a probability distribution of risks where nothing is absolute. Masks ARE NOT absolutely protective and viruses DO NOT survive intact until 71.99 inches from a contagious person and then all die off and some people ARE more or less likely to spread illness than others just as some are inherently (perhaps even genetically) more likely to be infected than others.

But that cuts both ways.

All the vaccines - including especially the one that created the name for the whole group, the vaccinia virus that wiped out smallpox - do carry some risk. The vaccinia virus itself was a fairly dangerous virus - not just to the one being vaccinated but to anyone they might spread it to. A child or sibling could be infected by contact with someone else in the family for instance, and these incidental infections with someone with even a relatively benign skin disease like eczema could be devastating.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eczema_vaccinatum

yet 300 million people died of smallpox during the 20th century, and even with such a rough instrument as vaccination with vaccinia, smallpox was eventually rendered extinct. But epidemiology like biology doesn’t give guarantees or absolutes. There will ALWAYS be trade offs and there is rarely any zero risk option.