Seneca Pilot

There are state matters and there are Federal matters. Federal ones like mortgage laws and food standards deal with civil rights and protections for products that cross state lines. The residents of a state get their license from that state. The vaccine laws will be state and locally administered just like the licensing of drivers. The constitution does not provide for a national vaccine mandate. That will be up to the individual states. Texas may not adopt the same rules as New York. I would assume that is why Texans live choose to live there. There are many state Governors that are facing serious push back from citizens due to nonsense curfews, lockdowns, and mandates that are not enforceable and do not help the situation.

You may believe that you need a mask all day, everywhere. You may want a vaccine, You may think there is a need for lockdowns and curfews. You can't force that belief on anyone else or you will face push back. Remember, less than two hundredth's of the world population has died from Covid. The numbers are only going down relative to the growth in population and birth rate. Right up there with auto deaths each year. Shockingly dangerous but you still drive. Guess that State driver's license is not so great after all, why not call for a national driver's license so we can fix the problem because our government is so efficient and effective.

Merle Haggard

So we agree that food and livestock should meet a minimum standard to cross state lines without carrying disease and contagious illness. We disagree that humans should also meet a minimum standard for same. Hmmmm.

Seneca Pilot

Yes, we can agree that humans are not livestock, but I am beginning to wonder about your stance on it.

All Bizniz

I think you misunderstood what he said.

He wasn't making a point about whether humans are/aren't livestock, but rather drawing the equivalency in the importance of protecting humans from disease, whether borne by livestock, or ourselves.

He's basically saying your logic is faulty.

Seneca Pilot

There is no equivalency. The two are so vastly different with respect to rights, treatment, and self determination that the attempt was completely lacking in substance or relevancy. The fact is there is no provision in the constitution for national mandates of any kind other than human rights. The courts may insert an opinion but it isn't in the plain language. The states will make the determination about vaccination rules for their constituents. Just as they do for driver's licensing, schooling, and other day to day matters. The Federal government will, of course, attempt to coerce compliance with funding just as they have done in the past.

All Bizniz

So in essence, it's the States', not the Federal government's right to subvert your rights in some cases, right?

I'm leading you to the light here.....

rickair7777

I doubt the fed (or most states) will try to coerce vaccination. They might legislate liability limits for covid, or for vaccines (the later already exist actually for established vaccine programs). I think liability, and any associated legal protections will drive vaccination behavior and requirements on the part of businesses, government services, etc.

A government agency can most likely require vaccination to visit their facilities to receive government services... just like you can't bring your (constitutionally protected) personal firearm to court, school, or the VA hospital.

galaxy flyer

You all need to read Federalist 45 on the powers of the states versus the federal government. That, and understand the Constitution isn’t the end all, 230 years of Supreme Court rulings on the subject of police powers of the states.

BTW, don’t want to take the vaccination, perhaps you need to be ready to kiss your career good-bye. Maybe not, either, it depends. I had a bunch of guys that refused the anthrax shots, which was off-license and orders of magnitude riskier, they kissed pensions away. Pay your money, take your chances, nobody lives forever, to quote LTC Uley Littleton, philosopher, fighter pilot and survivor of two nasty ejection seat rides.

Grumpyaviator

I’m waiting for governors, congress and the senate to get vaccinated first.

All Bizniz

Just to be clear, my post at Seneca which you quoted in making your post was meant to be sarcastic.

I haven't read the Federal 45, but I did sleep at a Holiday Inn last night. hahaha

As I understand it, there are things listed in the Constitution over which the Federal government has explicit jurisdiction. Anything not listed as such, are understood to fall in the category of States' rights/jurisdiction.

As a practical matter, given the overlap in some areas, the belief that the Federal govermment too often infringe upon states' rights has been a longstanding controversy.