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05-02-2021, 08:54 AM
#391
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Originally Posted by FlewUnderWires
That said I do appreciate the TSA numbers thread.
Originally Posted by Descendto450
Fairly objectively in my perspective so let’s not bash the messenger here..
Originally Posted by Descendto450
I care first about myself and my family, then my friends then my neighbors. It goes outward from there. I can’t better the world of I don’t better myself first. Spirited takes time every day to update this thread.
All those who advocate for saving the entire world from this COVID nonsense - you know who you are - need to S T F U. Hunger and dirty water are Yuge but mostly curable killers - just not as sexy in the zeitgeist. Stop preaching about this non-pandemic pandemic and start pursuing the low hanging fruit first. Then maybe, just maybe, you may earn the right to preach on the Covid
05-03-2021, 05:13 PM
#392
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Originally Posted by Grumpyaviator
I had Covid, no serious symptoms, no one cares.
Sorry but I think, like earthquakes, tsunamis, or uhm plagues it is sad when people die needlessly. All they had to do was socially distance, wear masks, have targeted isolation, and hold on until vaccine arrived. Instead they were unfortunate (variants), had bad leadership and failed to recognize either and react. Their situation is much like ours was, but we fixed 2/4 problems.
We will all be lucky if we reach herd immunity before a vaccine resistant version of the virus pops up and kills several million. Here’s hoping some luck or aid go in their favor and fast.
Confirmed COVID deaths > 3,226,000
Confirmed Vaccine caused deaths = 0
https://www.tylervigen.com/spurious-correlations
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05-03-2021, 06:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Ronaldo;[url=tel:3230148
3230148[/url]]Yes, no one really cares that you had COVID. I care that people in India, Brazil and at one point the USA were setting records for deaths and cases.
Sorry but I think, like earthquakes, tsunamis, or uhm plagues it is sad when people die needlessly. All they had to do was socially distance, wear masks, have targeted isolation, and hold on until vaccine arrived. Instead they were unfortunate (variants), had bad leadership and failed to recognize either and react. Their situation is much like ours was, but we fixed 2/4 problems.
We will all be lucky if we reach herd immunity before a vaccine resistant version of the virus pops up and kills several million. Here’s hoping some luck or aid go in their favor and fast.
Confirmed COVID deaths > 3,226,000
Confirmed Vaccine caused deaths = 0
https://www.tylervigen.com/spurious-correlations
Is ?La Quinta? Spanish for ?Next to Denny?s?? ? Cloud Data Architect
Sorry but I think, like earthquakes, tsunamis, or uhm plagues it is sad when people die needlessly. All they had to do was socially distance, wear masks, have targeted isolation, and hold on until vaccine arrived. Instead they were unfortunate (variants), had bad leadership and failed to recognize either and react. Their situation is much like ours was, but we fixed 2/4 problems.
We will all be lucky if we reach herd immunity before a vaccine resistant version of the virus pops up and kills several million. Here’s hoping some luck or aid go in their favor and fast.
Confirmed COVID deaths > 3,226,000
Confirmed Vaccine caused deaths = 0
https://www.tylervigen.com/spurious-correlations
Is ?La Quinta? Spanish for ?Next to Denny?s?? ? Cloud Data Architect
05-03-2021, 06:10 PM
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“ All they had to do was socially distance, wear masks, have targeted isolation, and hold on until vaccine arrived. ”
The poster is obviously not familiar with India at all. The culture is far different than China or the USA and and the ability to do this while providing the basics of life is almost impossible. Go back and watch this movie, ‘Slum Dog Millionaire.’ https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1010048/
While it is a drama it does point out how life is there. Unlike Australia, Korea, China, Japan, New Zealand and other more structured and controlling cultures , India is basically controlled Chaos.
Typical naivety of liberals in the USA.
The poster is obviously not familiar with India at all. The culture is far different than China or the USA and and the ability to do this while providing the basics of life is almost impossible. Go back and watch this movie, ‘Slum Dog Millionaire.’ https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1010048/
While it is a drama it does point out how life is there. Unlike Australia, Korea, China, Japan, New Zealand and other more structured and controlling cultures , India is basically controlled Chaos.
Typical naivety of liberals in the USA.
05-03-2021, 06:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Regularguy
“ All they had to do was socially distance, wear masks, have targeted isolation, and hold on until vaccine arrived. ”
The poster is obviously not familiar with India at all. The culture is far different than China or the USA and and the ability to do this while providing the basics of life is almost impossible. Go back and watch this movie, ‘Slum Dog Millionaire.’ https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1010048/
While it is a drama it does point out how life is there. Unlike Australia, Korea, China, Japan, New Zealand and other more structured and controlling cultures , India is basically controlled Chaos.
Typical naivety of liberals in the USA.
The poster is obviously not familiar with India at all. The culture is far different than China or the USA and and the ability to do this while providing the basics of life is almost impossible. Go back and watch this movie, ‘Slum Dog Millionaire.’ https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1010048/
While it is a drama it does point out how life is there. Unlike Australia, Korea, China, Japan, New Zealand and other more structured and controlling cultures , India is basically controlled Chaos.
Typical naivety of liberals in the USA.
05-03-2021, 07:55 PM
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Why is it not more than 3 months ago India was being considered one of the most successful countries over COVID and now with deaths “surging” over 200k they are in the slums?
I found this article dated Feb 17, 2021:
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/world...s-experts.html
“While India's death toll of 155,000 is the second-highest in the world to date, per capita it rates 109th - and its current daily figures are just a fraction of those still being recorded in wealthy nations like the US, UK, Germany and France. Delhi, a city of 19 million people, didn't record a single death on Tuesday.
So how is this possible? Experts this week have been poring over the possibilities.”
And just yesterday this was reported:
“ As many as 3,689 deaths were recorded since Saturday morning, taking the total death toll to 215,542, with one more state going into lockdown as the nation’s creaky healthcare system is unable to cope with a massive caseload.”
What has changed?
I don’t doubt there has been an increase in deaths, but it is still low per capita. Hey maybe there’s more to the story, let’s see if people can spot it.
Straight from those always truthful, unbiased and non-political USA Today folks:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/is...cid=uxbndlbing
“ But while President Joe Biden has vowed the U.S. would be "an arsenal of vaccines" for the world, his advisers have yet to detail how or when the United States would begin sharing the U.S. supply. Instead, Biden has repeatedly said his administration would help the rest of the world only after all Americans have access to the vaccines.
That position is increasingly untenable, particularly in the face of India's deepening COVID-19 crisis and a growing global chasm in vaccination rates, global health experts and advocates say. ”
Okay I know those who still think the world is basically gum drops and kindness, that is except for those horrible Russians, could never believe politics was taking advantage of the Indian people’s plight for their advantage. Of course sending tens of millions to Afghanistan for gender projects was also a humanitarian issues and not political at all. “ U.S. Spent $787 Million On ‘Gender Equality’ Projects In Afghanistan”
Nope, India is in a crisis and the western world has dominated the cure for COVID, shame on us. I believe!
Yep, I’m being dramatic.
I found this article dated Feb 17, 2021:
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/world...s-experts.html
“While India's death toll of 155,000 is the second-highest in the world to date, per capita it rates 109th - and its current daily figures are just a fraction of those still being recorded in wealthy nations like the US, UK, Germany and France. Delhi, a city of 19 million people, didn't record a single death on Tuesday.
So how is this possible? Experts this week have been poring over the possibilities.”
And just yesterday this was reported:
“ As many as 3,689 deaths were recorded since Saturday morning, taking the total death toll to 215,542, with one more state going into lockdown as the nation’s creaky healthcare system is unable to cope with a massive caseload.”
What has changed?
I don’t doubt there has been an increase in deaths, but it is still low per capita. Hey maybe there’s more to the story, let’s see if people can spot it.
Straight from those always truthful, unbiased and non-political USA Today folks:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/is...cid=uxbndlbing
“ But while President Joe Biden has vowed the U.S. would be "an arsenal of vaccines" for the world, his advisers have yet to detail how or when the United States would begin sharing the U.S. supply. Instead, Biden has repeatedly said his administration would help the rest of the world only after all Americans have access to the vaccines.
That position is increasingly untenable, particularly in the face of India's deepening COVID-19 crisis and a growing global chasm in vaccination rates, global health experts and advocates say. ”
Okay I know those who still think the world is basically gum drops and kindness, that is except for those horrible Russians, could never believe politics was taking advantage of the Indian people’s plight for their advantage. Of course sending tens of millions to Afghanistan for gender projects was also a humanitarian issues and not political at all. “ U.S. Spent $787 Million On ‘Gender Equality’ Projects In Afghanistan”
Nope, India is in a crisis and the western world has dominated the cure for COVID, shame on us. I believe!
Yep, I’m being dramatic.
05-03-2021, 08:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Regularguy
“ All they had to do was socially distance, wear masks, have targeted isolation, and hold on until vaccine arrived. ”
The poster is obviously not familiar with India at all. The culture is far different than China or the USA and and the ability to do this while providing the basics of life is almost impossible. Go back and watch this movie, ‘Slum Dog Millionaire.’ https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1010048/
While it is a drama it does point out how life is there. Unlike Australia, Korea, China, Japan, New Zealand and other more structured and controlling cultures , India is basically controlled Chaos.
Typical naivety of liberals in the USA.
The poster is obviously not familiar with India at all. The culture is far different than China or the USA and and the ability to do this while providing the basics of life is almost impossible. Go back and watch this movie, ‘Slum Dog Millionaire.’ https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1010048/
While it is a drama it does point out how life is there. Unlike Australia, Korea, China, Japan, New Zealand and other more structured and controlling cultures , India is basically controlled Chaos.
Typical naivety of liberals in the USA.
I disagree with your assessment. I’ve lived a good portion of my life overseas. I’ve been to a few cities in India multiple times and I’ve participated in operational level conferences with Indian military leaders. That said, I don’t know a significant amount. I don’t discount the mitigating factors, of which I’m aware. I worked with a team of Indian engineers on a project a few years ago. My point is; they are suffering badly. There are multiple reasons for their now apparent failure. Some are controllable, to a lesser extent some are happenstance.
05-03-2021, 08:24 PM
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I didn’t write they weren’t suffering, what I wrote is there is a global, not just India, political opportunism going on here and how they could go from heroes to zeroes in less than three months is interesting. Additionally the media tactics which have been so successful around the world have refocused on the plight of India.
Since you spent time with their military you may have missed the depth of the cast system and brutal poverty that exists in the tightly packed Country. Remember the military, as well as pilots, are the elite. BTW, much of my knowledge came from working with a missionary many years ago who support local Indian missions building schools and helping in other social areas.
Their culture is nothing like the USA.
BTW, it is pure naivety to even consider “masks and social distancing” as an effective or even practical tool in a Country of nearly 1.4 billion people, 18% of the world population or 1 out of every 6 people in the world. The average density of humans in India is about 1,200 per sq mile.
https://www.worldometers.info/world-...ia-population/
So how did they keep their COVID-19 deaths so low?
Originally Posted by Ronaldo
I disagree with your assessment. I’ve lived a good portion of my life overseas. I’ve been to a few cities in India multiple times and I’ve participated in operational level conferences with Indian military leaders. That said, I don’t know a significant amount. I don’t discount the mitigating factors, of which I’m aware. I worked with a team of Indian engineers on a project a few years ago. My point is; they are suffering badly. There are multiple reasons for their now apparent failure. Some are controllable, to a lesser extent some are happenstance.
Since you spent time with their military you may have missed the depth of the cast system and brutal poverty that exists in the tightly packed Country. Remember the military, as well as pilots, are the elite. BTW, much of my knowledge came from working with a missionary many years ago who support local Indian missions building schools and helping in other social areas.
Their culture is nothing like the USA.
BTW, it is pure naivety to even consider “masks and social distancing” as an effective or even practical tool in a Country of nearly 1.4 billion people, 18% of the world population or 1 out of every 6 people in the world. The average density of humans in India is about 1,200 per sq mile.
https://www.worldometers.info/world-...ia-population/
So how did they keep their COVID-19 deaths so low?
05-03-2021, 11:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Regularguy
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I didn’t write they weren’t suffering, what I wrote is there is a global, not just India, political opportunism going on here and how they could go from heroes to zeroes in less than three months is interesting. Additionally the media tactics which have been so successful around the world have refocused on the plight of India.
Since you spent time with their military you may have missed the depth of the cast system and brutal poverty that exists in the tightly packed Country. Remember the military, as well as pilots, are the elite. BTW, much of my knowledge came from working with a missionary many years ago who support local Indian missions building schools and helping in other social areas.
Their culture is nothing like the USA.
BTW, it is pure naivety to even consider “masks and social distancing” as an effective or even practical tool in a Country of nearly 1.4 billion people, 18% of the world population or 1 out of every 6 people in the world. The average density of humans in India is about 1,200 per sq mile.
https://www.worldometers.info/world-...ia-population/
So how did they keep their COVID-19 deaths so low?
I didn’t write they weren’t suffering, what I wrote is there is a global, not just India, political opportunism going on here and how they could go from heroes to zeroes in less than three months is interesting. Additionally the media tactics which have been so successful around the world have refocused on the plight of India.
Since you spent time with their military you may have missed the depth of the cast system and brutal poverty that exists in the tightly packed Country. Remember the military, as well as pilots, are the elite. BTW, much of my knowledge came from working with a missionary many years ago who support local Indian missions building schools and helping in other social areas.
Their culture is nothing like the USA.
BTW, it is pure naivety to even consider “masks and social distancing” as an effective or even practical tool in a Country of nearly 1.4 billion people, 18% of the world population or 1 out of every 6 people in the world. The average density of humans in India is about 1,200 per sq mile.
https://www.worldometers.info/world-...ia-population/
So how did they keep their COVID-19 deaths so low?
I explain it by effective early measures, including lockdown of external and internal traffic, contact tracing and mask usage.
If you’d like to debate the relative restrictions on foreign travel to/from India and Hong Kong for instance, I’m sure we can find an objective difference.
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