Originally Posted by turbojet28

COVID has certainly accelerated it, but the creeping of unconstitutional policy making has been happening for over 50 years. And the jurists on the Supreme Court have frequently enabled it with what I and many other would consider to be faulty constitutional logic. The root of the problems are that the underlying philosophical ideas are no longer held mainstream or in any significant way by our culture. The idea of personal liberty has largely become a relic of the past as the federal government has slowly encroached on almost every area of American life. Again, if you want to argue that the constitution no longer should apply or isn’t the best solution in today’s age, I may disagree, but at least that’s an honest argument. But when the populace gradually lost its grasp of what happened around 1776 and the years surrounding it, we have slowly been evolving into where we are now.

I still think the bedrock philosophical and economic principles of our founders should be the philosophical engine to guide our culture and government. If you disagree, that’s fine, I love having honest debate. What I don’t like is people who pretend that we are still this day and age in a shape or form that resembles how the founders intended. Entire federal departments exist today that have no constitutional basis. According to the constitution, any power not expressly stated is reserved for the states. It’s really not that complicated unless you are looking to twist it in order to legalize your agendas. I guess I’m just a simpleton but I fail to see where a federal department of education, housing/urban development, labor, just to name a small few, have any grounds for existence on a constitutional level. Noble pursuits? Sure. Constitutional? Hardly. But again, people will hear this and think that I am “against” education, labor, etc. Just because I don’t think the federal government has any business regulating these areas doesn’t mean I don’t think they are important. Quite the opposite. I would argue these things get massively fouled up and are far lower quality than they would be if they were only regulated by state or local authority like they should be.

Originally Posted by Regularguy

Let's be honest the leaders of the world do not have an exit strategy for returning to any resemblance of normalcy in the near future.

All of us can track the time line from a year ago where two weeks is now over two years, don't mask and now maybe triple mask, when the vaccine(s) arrive things will open except now even after vaccination masks and distancing will still be required.

The lunatics who screamed "science" somehow never understood a what medical professional's job is. There is always a virus, a cancer, something to watch out for and that is their job. However, they now have center court in the media and a place in the politician's hearts, who are all scrambling to keep their power and positions.

Frankly the metrics of disease and suffering will always be here especially when a 95 year old former TV personality's death is because of COVID related pneumonia the new norm is clearly here. The medical field, in general, should be ashamed of themselves.

The problem is this, the success of fear mongering is very clear. If anyone thinks,President Biden, Cuomo or any other "leader" (you may fill in a name), will say, "take off the masks, hug your children, enjoy a meal or drink in a crowded smoke filled poorly lit bar, and get on an airplane with 300 others mask free," well you too may be living in a delusion.

The only true free and clear metric to exit this Orwellian nightmare is for the people to say, "ENOUGH!"

Sadly that will never happen. Why? Because of fear.

Rant over, so add your own.

Originally Posted by YangGang2020

https://finance.yahoo.com/video/laun...173329033.html

“ Hawaii will be open pretty well before Labor Day. I think that we will be the most open, most safe state in the country. “

Lt Gov Dr. Josh Green (Hawaii).

Seems reasonable for a state whose citizens never politicized this thing, followed the rules, and actually came together in crisis.

Originally Posted by Xtreme87

Sounds like a little Nazi with his “we’ll need to see your papers for you to be able to do anything”. Obviously not going to fly with half of the population not willing to submit to corporate terrorism.

Mark my words, vaccine passports are not happening without starting a war with the people. That will be global too. More than half of France doesn’t want to vaccine. How do you suppose you lock them out of society peacefully?

Originally Posted by rickair7777

I'm not in favor of any nation-wide or government mandate for vaccine passports. But I am in favor of their being enabled by government and deployed... so those who want to use them can.

I see some businesses requiring vaccines later this year, if not for liability then just so they can get back to normal volume. If you're a restuarant or theater would you rather be 1/3 full of anti-vaxxers, or 100% full of vaccinated people? Conversely there will be businesses open to anyone, just have to jump through the usual covid hoops. Supply and demand will likely prevail. I don't see anyone starting a civil war over that, what are you going to do, storm Olive Garden and lynch the shift manager? No, you'll just put on your mask, walk down the block, and wait in line for a seat at socially-distant Boston Market instead.

Starting to look like maybe a digital app that verifies vaccination OR a negative test will be acceptable in a lot of places. If you don't want to get vaccinated, you just have to jump through testing hurdles.

Except cruise ships, they're already requiring a vaccine. Obviously they NEED a vaccine because one false negative test and everybody on board who is not vaccinated will pretty much be getting covid. As bad as the airlines have it, the cruise industry is in much worse shape.

Originally Posted by Profane Kahuna

Are you an idiot or were you hiding in your basement during 2020?

Restaurants, gyms, movie theaters, mom & pop stores, bars, etc were all forcibly closed. Their employess (tens of millions of them) lost their jobs, health insurance, etc. Many of those jobs will never come back.

Covid is real, I wear a mask, socially distance, etc..... I believe it, it is NOT a hoax..... but your comments are ridiculously stupid and inflammatory. Go troll somewhere else.

Originally Posted by germanaviator

I guess this is just in the context of COVID. But even so: Are you really saying that everything that has been done by governments at various levels in your country has been unconstitutional? I'm no expert on the constitution, I'm not an American nor a native speaker. But to me, the quote above means just that. Also, aren't there protections built into your legal system that will eventually lead to the correction of unconstitutional government action, if challenged through the courts? That's how it works in my country and certain specific restrictions have indeed been overturned by the courts in my country. Others have been upheld. I would expect it works the same in your country?