Natural Immunity vs Vaccine:
12-22-2021, 07:05 PM
#782
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Originally Posted by Drum
I posted a link to verifiable cases, over 300, and counting
Had nothing to do with 2018.
To play in FIFA you must be jabbed. Their rules. Other world football programs followed the lead.
Nice attempt But you fumbled at the your own goal line.
https://goodsciencing.com/covid/athl...er-covid-shot/
https://kanekoa.substack.com/p/world...suffer-vaccine
https://www.theburningplatform.com/2...id-19-vaccine/
Some repeat.
https://www.reuters.com/article/fact...-idUSL1N2SK160
A "fact check" LoL from Reuters
BUt wait here's NEJM on the Israel study
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2110737
Yeah yeah yeah. Take your "source" comment and flush it. All the info is verifiable via search.
The jabs are nuking athletes. If not what is causing to occur? Never happened before at this rate over such a wide range of athletes and sport.
Hey sailing says You all vaxxers will be fine, so will your kids. So run, don't walk to your nearest jab center and make sure you get them all. Plus boosters. Please.
Doesn't give you any right to force your fear and insecurities on me and mine.
Merry Christmas 🎄🎄🎄
Had nothing to do with 2018.
To play in FIFA you must be jabbed. Their rules. Other world football programs followed the lead.
Nice attempt But you fumbled at the your own goal line.
https://goodsciencing.com/covid/athl...er-covid-shot/
https://kanekoa.substack.com/p/world...suffer-vaccine
https://www.theburningplatform.com/2...id-19-vaccine/
Some repeat.
https://www.reuters.com/article/fact...-idUSL1N2SK160
A "fact check" LoL from Reuters
BUt wait here's NEJM on the Israel study
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2110737
Yeah yeah yeah. Take your "source" comment and flush it. All the info is verifiable via search.
The jabs are nuking athletes. If not what is causing to occur? Never happened before at this rate over such a wide range of athletes and sport.
Hey sailing says You all vaxxers will be fine, so will your kids. So run, don't walk to your nearest jab center and make sure you get them all. Plus boosters. Please.
Doesn't give you any right to force your fear and insecurities on me and mine.
Merry Christmas 🎄🎄🎄
“Generally speaking, FIFA is in regular contact with leading research centres and experts to do research on a variety of medical topics.”
Moreover, the Cardiac Risk in the Young (CRY) organisation, a British charity that funds medical research and supports families of young people affected by heart conditions, told Reuters they were “not aware” of any published or peer-reviewed researched into alleged links between sudden cardiac arrests in athletes and COVID-19 vaccines. “It’s important to understand that young sudden cardiac death (in both sportspeople and the general population) is tragically not a new phenomenon,” they said.
By the way, as such a big soccer fan I am surprised you stated FIFA requires players to be vaccinated. It’s untrue.
12-22-2021, 10:20 PM
#783
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Originally Posted by Merle Haggard
Yeah sure. Kaepernick did that on the advice of a special forces veteran because the SF vet/NFL player told him that sitting down would be disrespectful. Said SF veteran pointed out that he and his peers would kneel when honoring their fallen brethren. The idea was to be respectful, yet draw attention.
All that being said, I'm no Kaepernick fan and I disagree with his approach, but you should try to have a clue what you're talking about.
All that being said, I'm no Kaepernick fan and I disagree with his approach, but you should try to have a clue what you're talking about.
12-22-2021, 10:25 PM
#784
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Originally Posted by AZFlyer
People tend to leave out important context when discussing or reporting on the differing hospitalization and death rates between vaxxed and unvaxxed people. We are usually just given a quick aggregate number: "Hospitalization rates for unvaccinated children are eleven times higher than for vaccinated children!"
Well that really sounds scary! But should it be so scary?
Hospitalization rates, per the CDC, for kids aged 12-17:
Vaccinated: 0.2/100,000
Unvaccinated: 2.2/100,000
Put in more digestible terms: Unvaccinated children have a 99.9978% chance of NOT being hospitalized.
Hospitalization and death from covid is highly skewed towards the elderly, obese, and immunocompromised, and that fact remains after vaccination as well. Reducing your odds of being in the hospital or dying is great, but this eagerness to scare people that EVERYONE is one sneeze away from deaths knell if they're unvaccinated is disingenuous and undermines people's ability to make better risk assessments for themselves and their families.
Well that really sounds scary! But should it be so scary?
Hospitalization rates, per the CDC, for kids aged 12-17:
Vaccinated: 0.2/100,000
Unvaccinated: 2.2/100,000
Put in more digestible terms: Unvaccinated children have a 99.9978% chance of NOT being hospitalized.
Hospitalization and death from covid is highly skewed towards the elderly, obese, and immunocompromised, and that fact remains after vaccination as well. Reducing your odds of being in the hospital or dying is great, but this eagerness to scare people that EVERYONE is one sneeze away from deaths knell if they're unvaccinated is disingenuous and undermines people's ability to make better risk assessments for themselves and their families.
12-22-2021, 10:29 PM
#785
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Originally Posted by DR K
“The “medicine” is ineffective. Let’s blame the people who DIDN’T take it.”
If I had 3 polio vaccines in 9 months and then still got polio, I’d have some questions. Just saying.
If I had 3 polio vaccines in 9 months and then still got polio, I’d have some questions. Just saying.
12-22-2021, 11:27 PM
#786
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Originally Posted by block30
Well and succinctly said.
12-23-2021, 02:49 AM
#787
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Originally Posted by Nordhavn
I think we are talking past each other. I was attempting to be funny and failed miserably.
12-23-2021, 06:26 AM
#788
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Originally Posted by T1000
That 40000dead persona really loves the vax! Can you imagine how excited he/she will be if they come out with a vax that stops the virus from infecting and spreading!…damn!
Like that scene in a Christmas Story where Ralph fantasizes about getting “Soap blindness” after his mom washed his mouth out after saying a swear word. “That’ll show THEM!!”
Relatable because every kid has that fantasy, or one like it. It’s a normal projection, but you’re supposed to grow out of it. That weird “winter of death” POTUS release had this whole “you’ll be sorry…we tried to warn you but now you deserve what’s coming to you, you idiot, who we love/hate so much”.
12-23-2021, 08:05 AM
#789
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Originally Posted by DeltaboundRedux
I can’t put my finger on it, exactly, but there’s a strain of thinking among the true believers of the miracle and merits of this one particular injection that they would rather see a half million unvaccinated die off just to justify their decision to vaccinate than to admit maybe they were lied to just a little bit in the interest of mass herd immunity put over the safety of the individual, including/especially themselves.
Like that scene in a Christmas Story where Ralph fantasizes about getting “Soap blindness” after his mom washed his mouth out after saying a swear word. “That’ll show THEM!!”
Relatable because every kid has that fantasy, or one like it. It’s a normal projection, but you’re supposed to grow out of it. That weird “winter of death” POTUS release had this whole “you’ll be sorry…we tried to warn you but now you deserve what’s coming to you, you idiot, who we love/hate so much”.
Like that scene in a Christmas Story where Ralph fantasizes about getting “Soap blindness” after his mom washed his mouth out after saying a swear word. “That’ll show THEM!!”
Relatable because every kid has that fantasy, or one like it. It’s a normal projection, but you’re supposed to grow out of it. That weird “winter of death” POTUS release had this whole “you’ll be sorry…we tried to warn you but now you deserve what’s coming to you, you idiot, who we love/hate so much”.
There are literally 100’s of thousands of dead Americans alone who were overwhelmingly unvaccinated. This vaccine wasn’t ever supposed to be a miracle drug. It was supposed to be used as a tool combined with masking, hand washing; and early on, distancing.
There’s also this weird assault on science lately. It’s easy to parrot “Fauci is a fraud” and other horse $hit. But I invite you to walk in to the Pfizer or Moderna lab and offer up your advice on how the vaccine should operate?
12-23-2021, 08:31 AM
#790
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Originally Posted by Learflyer2
There are literally 100’s of thousands of dead Americans alone who were overwhelmingly unvaccinated. This vaccine wasn’t ever supposed to be a miracle drug. It was supposed to be used as a tool combined with masking, hand washing; and early on, distancing.
There’s also this weird assault on science lately. It’s easy to parrot “Fauci is a fraud” and other horse $hit. But I invite you to walk in to the Pfizer or Moderna lab and offer up your advice on how the vaccine should operate?
There’s also this weird assault on science lately. It’s easy to parrot “Fauci is a fraud” and other horse $hit. But I invite you to walk in to the Pfizer or Moderna lab and offer up your advice on how the vaccine should operate?
Scrutiny of one doesn't necessarily mean equivalent scrutiny of another.
Who sets government policy ?
Do the pharm industries have political lobby?
How long has Fauci been at the top of his organization ?
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