Myfingershurt

Man, everybody understands this. The argument we’re not willing to accept is that any business or government should have the ability to dictate what medicine you put in your body. Sure, if everyone voluntarily got vaccinated we might be done with this. But our government has a well earned distrust by a large population of Americans so the 100% vaccination rate was never gonna happen and should never be planned upon. Why don’t you get that? Most people are not arguing the validity of vaccines ability to stop disease. We are arguing every American right to refuse medical treatment or vaccines in general. This is not a new sentiment. For many Americans, you’ll never be able to convince them they need to take a vaccine for a virus that most likely will not kill them and very likely not affect their lives in any way.

klondike

Precisely. I am also sick of listening to the fear mongers talking about the variants.

OpenClimb

I really hesitate to post anything because this has become so emotional, but I consider myself a rational, thinking person so please help me understand. I tend to think in analogies, so please allow me to express my confusion thusly...

My analogy will use motorcycling. Statistics are pretty clear that it is more dangerous to travel by motorcycle than by automobile. If we want to eliminate motorcycle deaths, the most straightforward method would be to prohibit motorcycle riding. Boom. Eliminate the problem in one day.

But what about individual freedoms? For whatever reason (and the reason doesn't really matter) motorcycling is very important to me and I absolutely refuse to give it up. I've decided to accept the additional risk and continue motorcycling. If you choose to quit riding a motorcycle, your risk of dying due to a motorcycle accident is reduced to near zero. I'll concede not absolute zero because you could still be run over as a pedestrian in a crosswalk by a motorcycle. We haven't completely eliminated deaths by motorcycle, but we've brought the risk to almost zero.

So here's how I see this applying to Covid... If the vaccine is very effective on an individual level, then you are protected. Same as if you decide to stop riding a motorcycle. Does it really matter to you if I choose NOT to be vaccinated... or keep riding a motorcycle? If not being vaccinated is such a bad decision, then I would think the problem would fix itself... the anti-covid vaxxers would die off and society would be left with only the righteous. All the continuing motorcyclists would be killed in accidents and only the non-motorcyclists would remain.

Invest in cemeteries, funeral homes, and crematories and rake in your profits. Admitting this is pure speculation and just my personal belief, but as far as I can tell, most of the global problems in the world today are due to overpopulation and continued population growth. Maybe thinning the herd is just the ticket to solve everything.

And just to answer someone else's question, statistically I'm senior to about 80% of the people on the list, so if I'm wrong in my decision, most of you folks will move up a number and that'll be just fine with me.

CGLimits

Nope, the truth according to public health experts. CDC, United States Public Health Service, Any number of State Public Health agencies, on and on and on….good information is out there. I am just a pilot, but I know how to read and where to find good information, and it’s not on Facebook.

klondike

I’m a pilot also. Don’t speak in a condescending tone to me or anyone else here that disagrees with you.
I’m not on Facebook.

The CDC is full of baloney. They have changed their tune more often than I change my underwear.
You are right that there is a lot of good information out there- and very little of it, if any, is from the alphabet government agencies.

fcoolaiddrinker

because they called and told me. Don’t plan on f9 doing it because they had informed company and nothing from them.

CGLimits

I also ride a motorcycle. I know the risks. I also know that that risk is only to myself. When it comes to COVID, if we think only in terms of me and only me and we don’t work together to end the pandemic we put people who cannot get a vaccine at risk: children under 12 or people that are immunocompromised for example. We also don’t help in slowing or stopping the transmission. I am all for individual freedoms. I also understand that if we want this country to get back to a pre COVID normal we all have to do our part. Vaccines either stop or dramatically slow down transmission. I get that people don’t want to get the shot or be forced to get the shot. Don’t do it for you. Do it for your community, your state, your company, your industry, your country, the world…pick one.

Myfingershurt

But seriously, are you a big enough dreamer (or naive enough) to believe that 330M Americans were ever going to do anything in unison? Getting all riled up about the fact that it didn’t happen is just gonna give you an ulcer.

CGLimits

If you don’t believe our Public Health experts then there is nothing else we can talk about, because that’s who I defer to. If you read the whole thread you’ll see that there has been more condescending toward me than the other way. It’s ok, I am a big boy. I can take it. Peace.

CGLimits

All we need is 280M. Call me idealistic.