Originally Posted by FleetSnarl;[url=tel:3303931

3303931]I did. Post 146. You may not like the answer. But I answered.

Originally Posted by usernamehere

I would’ve thought it was obvious that natural immunity is better (vaccine you get the spike protein and your body learns. With covid you get the whole thing including the spike protein and your body learns in the same way it does with the vaccine but there’s more information learned. There’s also a lot more than the Israeli study: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1....01.21258176v3

https://medicine.wustl.edu/news/good...dy-protection/

At least a couple more than that.

you admit there is risk associated with the vaccine… so if I’ve had covid and I’m just as safe if not safer than someone who’s only vaccinated, shouldn’t that be my choice? Now throw in the fact that my job requires a medical, and no one is offering to pay if anything goes wrong with the vax. Also, you honestly don’t know anyone that has had severe negative long lasting affects from the vaccine? (I know at least two. I also know of two people that have long lasting severe effects from covid).

politica opinion:
Regardless: I do not agree that it’s an old dementia ridden tyrant’s job to tell me what to put in my body. The trend toward communism and the embrace of a tyrant on the part of the left should concern you more - communism has killed way way way more people than covid ever will. I’d add that the government run healthcare systems were the ones overrun. These

Originally Posted by ZapBrannigan

I wouldn't have imagined that people would march on the Capital, bust in, and stab a Capital Police Officer with a flag pole either but we live in weird times.

I know YOU wouldn't do it. And I certainly wouldn't do it. I just think we live in times when we are expected to fall into black and white camps behind the fringe members of both parties, and a lot of us who see things as more 'grey' are left without a candidate or a politician we can believe in.

But that's way off topic. I apologize for derailing this train.

Originally Posted by FleetSnarl

You can ask the exact same questions about covid: What is the 5 year effect of the various strains of covid? 10 year effect? Is there an increased rate of certain types of cancers? What about these clotting events? What about people who were born with Factor V Leiden gene and are prone to clots? What’s the risk factor to them? How about effect on pregnancies and the babies born to vaccinated women? What percentage may be Down Syndrome babies? What about other defects?

Were you or are you worked up about all of these possible complications and issues that covid may present? It seems like most of the people who embrace an anti-vax stance played down the risks/threats posed by covid. But now, you guys are playing up the risks posed by the vaccine. That doesn't seem to make sense esp when the data we have so far indicates that covid poses far more danger to our Class I medical than does the vaccine.

Are you against mandatory seat belt laws? Seat belts sometimes cause serious injuries. (Source) What if a seat belt injury causes you to lose your Class I medical? Who's going to compensate you for that? Should a state be responsible for compensating you for your 8-figure career earnings because they wrote a mandatory seat belt law? Should taxpayer money be used to pay for people who are harmed as a result of being "forced" by a state to wear a seat belt?

Unfortunately, covid is here now - not five years from now and not ten years from now. It's something that demands to be dealt with now, not retroactively years in the future. That's the reality.

Covid is not simply impacting people on an individual level the way some sort of non-contagious disease or infection might. If people choose to not get vaccinated, that choice can impact, and according to scientists, has impacted others. It may contribute to me or my loved ones getting infected and developing serious complications up to and including death. As the Dec of Independence states, the right to life is the first of the inalienable and self-evident rights. Given what we know right now, one person's choice to not get vaccinated poses a threat to others' fundamental liberties and imperils their right to life (BTW, I am 100% pro-life from conception until natural death). As someone else quoted earlier in this thread from a SCOTUS decision about a vaccine case: "The possession and enjoyment of all rights are subject to such reasonable conditions as may be deemed by the governing authority of the country essential to the safety, health, peace, good order and morals of the community. Even liberty itself, the greatest of all rights, is not unrestricted license to act according to one's own will. It is only freedom from restraint under conditions essential to the equal enjoyment of the same right by others. It is then liberty regulated by law.' In the constitution of Massachusetts adopted in 1780 it was laid down as a fundamental principle of the social compact that the whole people covenants with each citizen, and each citizen with the whole people, that all shall be governed by certain laws for 'the common good,' and that government is instituted 'for the common good, for the protection, safety, prosperity and happiness of the people, and not for the profit, honor or private interests of any one man, family or class of men."

In other words, it's not all about me. "Freedom" doesn't mean I have the right to do whatever I want whenever I want. That's not freedom. That's anarchy. That's survival of the most powerful. That's what Western civilization rose up in response to. If that's the kind of society you want, it'll probably end up looking something like this:


It's like speeding. Should you be free to speed to your heart's content just because you or other people don't necessarily get hurt by it every time you engage in it? Shouldn't you be able to have the liberty to drive as fast as you want whenever and wherever you want? Shouldn't you have the liberty to tear through a school zone at 90 miles per hour? Are you opposed to laws against speeding? If you're out there choosing to exercise your liberty to speed and that contributes to you plowing into a pedestrian or someone else's car, haven't you robbed them to some degree of their choice to live their life freely?

What if I lose my medical due to covid? Who’s liable for my 8 figure career loss? Trump? Q-Anon? Kevin McCarthy? Jim Jordan? Matt Gaetz? MTG? Biden? Democrats? Our respective airlines? What about if 5 years from now, many of us start dropping from cancers that can be attributed to covid? Who’s liable? Whom do we sue for damages?

This is the sort of thing we have LTD/STD for. Unfortunately, again, our pilot group never prioritized structuring our contractual language to explicitly cover situations like a global pandemic. That's on us as a group. Isn't that what capitalism is about - at least in part? Personal responsibility? As a pilot group, we didn't anticipate a situation like this and so now we have to deal with the consequences. That was our choice. Should the company be given a mulligan on the fact that they didn't get force majeure language inserted into our contract because they also probably didn't think something like this would happen? That's on them.

I don't know how being an anti-vaxxer makes someone a racist. I've heard being pro-vax makes a person racist. I don't understand that either. And I don't understand what point you're trying to make by calling pro-vax people "screeching 'science followers.'" What should we "follow" instead, the pundits of MSNBC, Fox, OAN, NewsMax, Breitbart, or Whatfinger? Bill Maher? Alex Jones? Joe Rogan? Who else should we "follow"? What else should we "follow"? If you say something like we should "follow" freedom at all costs, I agree with you in a sense. It's just that I don't agree that my personal freedom gives me carte blanche to do whatever I want when the consequences of my free choices pose the risk of taking substantial freedoms away from people in my family, my circle, my city, my company, my nation, and my world. Freedom is bigger than just me.

Originally Posted by WHACKMASTER

You are one very misguided soul.

Originally Posted by FleetSnarl

You can ask the exact same questions about covid: What is the 5 year effect of the various strains of covid? 10 year effect? Is there an increased rate of certain types of cancers? What about these clotting events? What about people who were born with Factor V Leiden gene and are prone to clots? What’s the risk factor to them? How about effect on pregnancies and the babies born to vaccinated women? What percentage may be Down Syndrome babies? What about other defects?

Originally Posted by PowerShift

Because politicians, particularly Democrats “never let a crisis go to waste”, and use it to advance some agenda or advance some type of onerous control. I’ve posted FACTS, in multiple threads, and one responding to you, which you have failed to comment on. This “picking sides” and infighting over a vaccination, actual death toll, etc is by design. This way there is no focus on an open border, which 400k unvaccinated (for ANY disease MMR, TB, ECT) are expected to flood over the border in Oct alone. But the MOST important thing on the Biden agenda is for me to get the jab to keep my job.

Please post some vaccine facts, not some emotionally drive one sided hyperbole.

Originally Posted by docav8tor

My nephew had a Captain share this with him yesterday. He politely declined and told him he's fully vaccinated.

https://t.me/joinchat/RfTSM0R5JshhMzQx

https://southweststands.com