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MiLtoMajor123 09-17-2021 01:50 PM

We are basically .....kind of sort of....
 
Federal Contractors. Thus fall under Federal control? Huh? How much of our "business" falls under this?

School me please!

NewGuy01 09-17-2021 02:44 PM

Enough to not pay you industry standard to get vaccinated.

Use your sick time, no support you’re on your own.

The answer to everything is: cost


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ShyGuy 09-17-2021 03:18 PM

Somehow even being the bottom barrel line holder in March (and now back on reserve), I was able to use two stretches of 3-days off to get the shot on day 1, and chill out for day 2 and 3. No sick time had to be used. Anyway, vaccine mandates are coming at all major and regional airlines here. It was only a matter of time.

NewGuy01 09-17-2021 03:22 PM


Originally Posted by ShyGuy (Post 3296722)
Somehow even being the bottom barrel line holder in March (and now back on reserve), I was able to use two stretches of 3-days off to get the shot on day 1, and chill out for day 2 and 3. No sick time had to be used. Anyway, vaccine mandates are coming at all major and regional airlines here. It was only a matter of time.


That’s cool. Gold star for you! Sadly that’s all you’ll get.

It’s sadly, a lot different than you’re peers at real majors.

Pro tip: you might want to pay attention to what United or SWA did to support their pilots in getting the vaccination. The information is available in great detail and (gasp) it doesn’t involve living in Gig Harbor.


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nene 09-17-2021 04:20 PM


Originally Posted by NewGuy01 (Post 3296723)
That’s cool. Gold star for you! Sadly that’s all you’ll get.

It’s sadly, a lot different than you’re peers at real majors.

Pro tip: you might want to pay attention to what United or SWA did to support their pilots in getting the vaccination. The information is available in great detail and (gasp) it doesn’t involve living in Gig Harbor.


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Just FYI so you know what others are offering.....

Delta was either 5:15 (ADG) for each shot if on day off, or drop trip due to touching shot three day footprint.

If you gave 96hrs notice, not even counted as sick leave, just free "shot pay". Less than 96hrs, company used your sick leave to cover.

For moi, 2shots = 55hrs pay (and opened the schedule up to pick up additional GS flying as long as it didn't conflict with the three day shot waiting period to fly) which there was a lot of as others were dropping trips to get the stick.

IMO, this is the kind of info ALPA should be disseminating so that when one group gets/negotiates a good deal, the rest could ride along piggyback. That's one of the points of a union after all.

NewGuy01 09-17-2021 04:21 PM


Originally Posted by nene (Post 3296763)
Just FYI so you know what others are offering.....

Delta was either 5:15 (ADG) for each shot if on day off, or drop trip due to touching shot three day footprint.

If you gave 96hrs notice, not even counted as sick leave, just free "shot pay". Less than 96hrs, company used your sick leave to cover.

2shots = 55hrs pay (and opened the schedule up to pick up additional GS flying as long as it didn't conflict with the three day shot waiting period to fly) which there was a lot of as others were dropping trips to get the stick.


Yeah but you don’t live in Gig Harbor!!!!


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nene 09-17-2021 04:25 PM


Originally Posted by NewGuy01 (Post 3296765)
Yeah but you don’t live in Gig Harbor!!!!


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true...I did for the first two decades of my life, but got married to a woman from Kent (back when women existed in Seattle) and she didn't enjoy the overcast, cold/rain any longer.

El Peso 09-17-2021 04:52 PM


Originally Posted by ShyGuy (Post 3296722)
Somehow even being the bottom barrel line holder in March (and now back on reserve), I was able to use two stretches of 3-days off to get the shot on day 1, and chill out for day 2 and 3. No sick time had to be used. Anyway, vaccine mandates are coming at all major and regional airlines here. It was only a matter of time.

Is Alaska not offering any incentive for pilots to get vaccinated? No LOA or anything that covers this?

NewGuy01 09-17-2021 04:54 PM


Originally Posted by El Peso (Post 3296784)
Is Alaska not offering any incentive for pilots to get vaccinated? No LOA or anything that covers this?


Apparently there was a chance to win prizes including Kraken tickets that pilots likely wouldn’t get time off for…

Maybe they’d let you sell the tickets on Craigslist?


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El Peso 09-17-2021 05:14 PM


Originally Posted by nene (Post 3296763)
Just FYI so you know what others are offering.....

Delta was either 5:15 (ADG) for each shot if on day off, or drop trip due to touching shot three day footprint.

If you gave 96hrs notice, not even counted as sick leave, just free "shot pay". Less than 96hrs, company used your sick leave to cover.

For moi, 2shots = 55hrs pay (and opened the schedule up to pick up additional GS flying as long as it didn't conflict with the three day shot waiting period to fly) which there was a lot of as others were dropping trips to get the stick.

IMO, this is the kind of info ALPA should be disseminating so that when one group gets/negotiates a good deal, the rest could ride along piggyback. That's one of the points of a union after all.

AA has a pretty decent thing going too. 5:15 to get the shot plus 3 days off for each shot. Pay protected. Also APA pilots participate in the company-wide incentive program (extra vacation day in 2022 or 3:40 of pay). I selected the pay. So 6 extra days off in the month and an extra 8:55 of pay for me personally. And yes, if you got the shot before the LOA and had to call off sick, you got reimbursed plus the 5:15.


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