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Old 12-22-2021 | 08:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Nvrgofullretard
I knew you wouldn’t have the emotional maturity and strength of will to adhere to your “you get the last word”. Keep thumping your chest brother.

if you disregard federal law whilst in uniform, whilst being paid, whilst on display for the passengers, then you sir, are an impetuous clown. Put on your big boy pants and do the job you’re paid….or quit if you had integrity
Just as a point of contention, you say law. It’s not a law, laws have to be passed by Congress and signed by the president. This is not that.
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Old 12-22-2021 | 09:02 PM
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Originally Posted by MeteorA113
VAERS is entirely self reporting and not professionally vetted. It's all anecdotal and should never be used as a source.
So were is the vetted source the CDC is keeping? They don’t make it easy to get that data. It is well know and documented that there is a clear signal that the vaccines can cause clotting and heart inflammation. CDC has now admitted to 14 cases in children under 11. Dr. Vinay Prasad does a great job of going over data and studies and he showed the latest data released last week documenting kids being injured by the vaccine. He has a YouTube channel going over official high quality studies. While the risk is less as you get older, there is clearly a higher risk in kids.
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Old 12-22-2021 | 10:09 PM
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Originally Posted by MeteorA113
VAERS is entirely self reporting and not professionally vetted. It's all anecdotal and should never be used as a source.
It shouldn’t be used as a source because you said so? VAERS is used as a source for many professional studies. The data is important and is very under reported. I hope you also believe the CDC should not be used as a source because they have conflated with COVID and from COVID.
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Old 12-22-2021 | 11:37 PM
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Originally Posted by interceptorpilo
VAERS is used as a source for many professional studies.
...for example?
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Old 12-23-2021 | 12:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Crown
LOL! First off, you didn't hurt my feelings. I'm not a CA, nor do I pretend to be. You can believe someone not wearing a mask is unprofessional. I don't agree. You could have stopped at that unprofessional point with being at the gate, but you took it one step further with adhering to federal law. I'm guessing that in your mind, you want others to adhere to the mask up, pull it down for an uber quick sip, pull it back up before you've even swallowed your drink.

Dude not once have you ever denounced masks to the extent that a sane rational person should. At this point in our society, if you're not anti-mask, you're extremely pro mask. There isn't an in-between. Tell me I'm wrong.

Actually, don't. I don't care. You're in your camp, I'm in mine, and we won't change each others minds. But I can tell you one final thing - the masks make me miserable. If you're for making me miserable, that shows me your character. Think about that.
I detect possible thread closure in the not so distant future.
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Old 12-23-2021 | 01:23 AM
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Originally Posted by ERflyer
I detect possible thread closure in the not so distant future.
To be fair, Crown was drinking Crown when he wrote that.
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Old 12-23-2021 | 02:19 AM
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Originally Posted by PilotWombat
...for example?
Here is one. Don’t ask me for more. You can do your own Google: https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q...3DIEDjqWVFsJMJ
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Old 12-23-2021 | 05:06 AM
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Originally Posted by interceptorpilo
Here is one. Don’t ask me for more. You can do your own Google: https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q...3DIEDjqWVFsJMJ
Don't get snarky and shirk your responsibility. You're the one that made the expansive claim; you alone have the burden of substantiating it.

For the record, of the 10 studies shown on the first page of the link you posted in your defense:
  • Three specifically cite the limitations of VAERS and describe it as a poor singular data source useful only for pattern monitoring for further research.
  • Five do exactly that (pattern monitoring) and each follows up with a statement that VAERS is at best unreliable and in three cases, directly calls out that the reported cases have no connection to vaccination.
  • One uses it as a source for a lit review, but specifically states it provides correlation data, not causation.
  • One has no mention of VAERS in it at all.
This means that after a vaccine is approved, CDC and FDA continue to monitor safety while it is distributed in the marketplace for use by collecting and analyzing spontaneous reports of adverse events that occur in persons following vaccination. Various methods and statistical techniques are used to analyze VAERS data, which CDC and FDA use to guide further safety evaluations and inform decisions around vaccine recommendations and regulatory action. VAERS data must be interpreted with caution due to the inherent limitations of passive surveillance. VAERS is primarily a safety signal detection and hypothesis generating system. Generally, VAERS data cannot be used to determine if a vaccine caused an adverse event. VAERS data interpreted alone or out of context can lead to erroneous conclusions about cause and effect as well as the risk of adverse events occurring following vaccination.
We did not find any evidence that reported deaths were related to vaccination.
Conclusions: The peak age of deaths at ages 1 to 3 months could be expected on the basis of prior studies showing that sudden infant death syndrome deaths peak at that age, that most deaths in the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System are attributed to sudden infant death syndrome, and that sudden infant death syndrome has not been associated with vaccination.
Among 29 verified reports of death, there was no pattern of clustering of deaths by diagnosis, co-morbidities, age, or interval from vaccination to death.
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Old 12-23-2021 | 07:14 AM
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Originally Posted by PilotWombat
Don't get snarky and shirk your responsibility. You're the one that made the expansive claim; you alone have the burden of substantiating it.

For the record, of the 10 studies shown on the first page of the link you posted in your defense:
  • Three specifically cite the limitations of VAERS and describe it as a poor singular data source useful only for pattern monitoring for further research.
  • Five do exactly that (pattern monitoring) and each follows up with a statement that VAERS is at best unreliable and in three cases, directly calls out that the reported cases have no connection to vaccination.
  • One uses it as a source for a lit review, but specifically states it provides correlation data, not causation.
  • One has no mention of VAERS in it at all.








Try again.
You moved the goal post. You said it wasn’t used as a source, clearly it was.
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Old 12-23-2021 | 07:26 AM
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Originally Posted by LumberJack
Anyone else notice these threads get started (and others derailed) by the "anti-mask/overblown reaction” crowd? We get it! Go drink some Scotch
So...what is it you say you all "get" here?
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