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05-24-2017 | 09:29 AM
#631
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When they fix the brakes, the FMC, the spoilers, the flight controls, the standby instruments, the autopilot, get the lower nav display out from behind the yoke, finish documenting the stall characteristics, put E C's on the JT8, discover what effect Type !V has on trim tabs, undo the Dial-a-Flap nonsense, nail down the trim range, stop using flaps 11 (15 makes no difference), take the thrust reversers off and throw them in the river, put GPS on it, replace the DC10-30 hydraulic boost pump with something sensible that fits the application, wire the yoke light so it does not catch fire and scorch the wedding tackle, and fix the nosewheel steering, it could be a certif'able design, maybe. Anyway, that's the short list.
The loss of dignity, confidence and self respect really does make one a better, more empathetic person, reliant on the kindness of first responders and forbearance of authority figures. Isn't that what life is about?
It is nothing a 24 year old German test pilot at 9 am after 4 cups of coffee couldn't handle.
The loss of dignity, confidence and self respect really does make one a better, more empathetic person, reliant on the kindness of first responders and forbearance of authority figures. Isn't that what life is about?
It is nothing a 24 year old German test pilot at 9 am after 4 cups of coffee couldn't handle.
Motch
05-24-2017 | 09:31 AM
#632
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Seriously? Maybe I was just lucky then. A couple of times flying one of the RNAV arrivals into PDX, got an early descent clearance. Went to the FMS, hit desend now, had the throttles go to idle but it stayed in VNAV LVL 
. Airspeed started bleeding off in a hurry, as I'm frantically reverting to a lower level of automation 
. Yes, everything was programmed and set up properly. I've also seen it go into ALT CAP on a descent but just kept right on going - right through the altitude... It WILL do things (or not do things, as the case may be) that it's not supposed to, even when it's set up/programmed properly. You just need to be paying attention, especially during transitions...but that's all just part of the allure 
. Airspeed started bleeding off in a hurry, as I'm frantically reverting to a lower level of automation . Yes, everything was programmed and set up properly. I've also seen it go into ALT CAP on a descent but just kept right on going - right through the altitude... It WILL do things (or not do things, as the case may be) that it's not supposed to, even when it's set up/programmed properly. You just need to be paying attention, especially during transitions...but that's all just part of the allure
05-24-2017 | 09:36 AM
#633
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From: Cockpit speaker volume knob set to eleven.
Early DC-10's were prone to do the same things, usually heard from the lower galley pretty quick. Had it capture the ILS glide slope at JFK and the lights of New York start to disappear. The sea spray was the big give away that it had captured the "Phantom" slope, ol' skipper went back to hand flying permanently.
05-24-2017 | 10:03 AM
#634
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Just so happens that my former 'parent' company doesn't pull the trigger on these kind of things until it was urgently necessary two years ago 😂
05-24-2017 | 10:14 AM
#635
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From: 765A
I'm not saying it never did anything strange to me......it did. I'm just saying as a LCA, sitting back watching, I never saw it do something it wasn't told to do. I came to the conclusion that most (not all) but most of the time the 88 acted up it was self induced. Been on the ER a while now and I find myself asking what the hell is it doing sometimes. Again I'm convinced most of the time it is self induced.
05-24-2017 | 10:24 AM
#636
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When they fix the brakes, the FMC, the spoilers, the flight controls, the standby instruments, the autopilot, get the lower nav display out from behind the yoke, finish documenting the stall characteristics, put E C's on the JT8, discover what effect Type !V has on trim tabs, undo the Dial-a-Flap nonsense, nail down the trim range, stop using flaps 11 (15 makes no difference), take the thrust reversers off and throw them in the river, put GPS on it, replace the DC10-30 hydraulic boost pump with something sensible that fits the application, wire the yoke light so it does not catch fire and scorch the wedding tackle, and fix the nosewheel steering, it could be a certif'able design, maybe. Anyway, that's the short list.
The loss of dignity, confidence and self respect really does make one a better, more empathetic person, reliant on the kindness of first responders and forbearance of authority figures. Isn't that what life is about?
It is nothing a 24 year old German test pilot at 9 am after 4 cups of coffee couldn't handle.
The loss of dignity, confidence and self respect really does make one a better, more empathetic person, reliant on the kindness of first responders and forbearance of authority figures. Isn't that what life is about?
It is nothing a 24 year old German test pilot at 9 am after 4 cups of coffee couldn't handle.
At least the trips, layovers, and mechanical reliability are great.... oh wait.
At least it doesn't do redeyes?
05-24-2017 | 10:41 AM
#638
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From: 765-A
I am one of the guys new on property (14 months) who bid 88A ATL and got it. I was prior mil and did a year at a regional. I've flown so old and pilot unfriendly planes in my career that make the 88 look sophisticated. I guess it boils down to perception but I look forward to the challenge and am excited to get a huge pay raise. I was a longtime AF instructor and look forward to being in the left seat again. The learning curve will be exponential but this won't be my first time at that rodeo. Personally, I feel a culture of 88 hate infests DAL and creates a much worse perception. I could be wrong, time will tell, but worst case it's only a few years.
Fly that -88/90 with pride. You guys are the new "iron men" on the property. Every checkout you do from here on out will be a piece of cake. Congrats!
05-24-2017 | 10:53 AM
#639
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From: DAL 330
Early DC-10's were prone to do the same things, usually heard from the lower galley pretty quick. Had it capture the ILS glide slope at JFK and the lights of New York start to disappear. The sea spray was the big give away that it had captured the "Phantom" slope, ol' skipper went back to hand flying permanently.
Thats nothing! I was a T-34C instructor in Pensacola and that plane would go to full aft stick, power to idle and full rudder - almost as if it was trying to enter a spin on purpose. Once in said spin it would aggressively recover by pushing full forward stick and anti-spin rudder.
Did I mention that full aft stick would sometimes hit the IPs harness buckle (especially the short rotund types) and unlock it? Did I also mention that said IP would now (due to full fwd stick and no harness) get pressed overhead into the canopy? Well if I didn't mention it lets now consider it.
All is well so far, you are pressed against the canopy directly over the control stick but you are Ok because you are negative Gs. Ahhhhh, but what about the recovery when the plane goes abruptly to positive G's and you are impaled on the stick? Could be trouble. Bummer for the IPs with short arms as they were pressed against the canopy the control stick mere inches out of reach of their short T-rex like arms.
Then again I am not sure that this story counts because the automation was your student Naval Aviator trying to turn you into a human shish kabob.
Totally true story debriefed by the IP (not me) in training. After a prolonged effort that must have seemed liked minutes but was in reality a few seconds he was able to reach the control stick with his fingertips while yelling "I have the controls, I have the controls!"
The look and expressions on his face as he was debriefing this story was priceless.
Scoop
