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Old 06-04-2017, 09:02 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun View Post
sfo, bos, mco.
Basically where there were bases before.
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Old 06-04-2017, 10:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Denny Crane View Post
Reread my point number two if you think the company would not be committing time and resources in this instance. They would be over staffing a category (costing lots of money in training/moving expenses for a new category) in a base that has great "commuting" weather and then "hoping" pilots would bid a VB in the middle of the country from this one base? I say again, NOT GONNA HAPPEN with just one base to recruit pilots to staff the VB from...

I agree with your last sentence.

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Just like the company can predict with a reasonable degree of accuracy which way AE's will go with all of their complexity, I'm betting they can make a decent prediction how many would volunteer for a virtual base.

Many of us (me included) assume that the virtual bases could come and go at a whim. That's not to say that they couldn't have a semi permanent vb that lasts for years with no backend downside for them if they decide to close it.
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Old 06-04-2017, 10:24 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun View Post
I posted months ago that VB's as currently structured were not high on the companies list to implement as there was little cost savings. In fact I suggested that we would not see any VB's this summer and was told that by the forum that they would explode like acne on a 14 year old by summer. The union used Carmine to run numerous simulations of possible VB options. In the end they found 3 cities that might work for a total cost savings of 20 million a year. None of the cities being discussed were among those.
I'm assuming in the intervening time since you learned that information, there have probably been more tests with new variables and potentially different outcomes.
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Old 06-04-2017, 10:28 AM
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makes me think about bidding it......just to see what happens.
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Old 06-04-2017, 10:37 AM
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makes me think about bidding it......just to see what happens.
SWISS pilots seem to like the airplane:

https://blog.swiss.com/en/2017/04/pilots-view-of-the-swiss-bombardier-cs-100
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Old 06-04-2017, 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun View Post
I just found it also. It's a union pub not a base newsletter. It also makes no mention of a Midwest VB as widely quoted here.
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Among other things (my buddy was not optimistic about the future MSP fleet picture), the company guy stated that the C100 would be set up for an LAX base--and a mid-continent VB.
"Mid-continent" does not necessarily mean "Midwest"

If it turns out to be SFO, than the crew resources guy was misleading the MSP pilots at that meeting. He wouldn't do that, would he? With "Rules of the Road," and all.
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Old 06-04-2017, 02:06 PM
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From what I've read, it seems like it would be a good deal for any commuter that could reach the virtual base in one shortish hop. Real good deal for those that live within 2 hrs.
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Old 06-04-2017, 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by 4fans View Post
I understand the "pull it down" crowd. Logically, their argument makes sense.



I don't understand the "it will never happen" crowd. It almost seems like they know it will happen and want us to live in denial until it's here and we can't get rid of it.



I'm in the third crowd, which is the "let's see how it works before pulling it down" crowd. I'm interested in how it will be implemented. Because I believe it will be implemented, and will potentially have an effect on all of us in some form or fashion.


I was of that crowd too...But if they choose to not implement it during the trial period there is absolutely no reason we should extend it and allow them to.


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Old 06-04-2017, 04:24 PM
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Don't you think it would make sense to have a VB in a location that had a mx facility? DFW would make sense. Do we have any other locations that are mx facilities but not bases?
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Old 06-04-2017, 04:25 PM
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I was of that crowd too...But if they choose to not implement it during the trial period there is absolutely no reason we should extend it and allow them to.


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We could let the VB expire and use it as leverage to make Gaines elsewhere in the contract.
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