C100 VBs
07-01-2017, 11:00 AM
#211
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
As previously said, they were well constructed. Most pilots gloss over TDY and that is where pilots need to focus their concern on. Its not easy to see because its how using this or memorializing it affects other sections of the PWA and how the company can use them.
07-01-2017, 04:11 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
I don't see much of a issue with TDY. It's voluntary only and you bid below all the regular pilots in that category regardless of seniority. I don't see a lot of pilots wanting to bid to another base to sit reserve unless perhaps they live there. The company has not exactly leaped all over this one either.
07-01-2017, 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Spudhauler
The company wanted these provisions, not the pilots. If they aren't turning out to be worthwhile, we should shut them down as soon as allowed. It's a trail run for expanding this to overseas bases, IMO, and that is a gigantic job killer.
07-01-2017, 04:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Spudhauler
The company wanted these provisions, not the pilots. If they aren't turning out to be worthwhile, we should shut them down as soon as allowed. It's a trail run for expanding this to overseas bases, IMO, and that is a gigantic job killer.
Exactly. They are going to do almost nothing and then try to take down the pull down provision...If they get that then it will be full steam ahead.
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07-01-2017, 06:24 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
That's a really big leap. Unless are route system radically changes there is no need for a overseas base with the demise of NRT.
07-02-2017, 04:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Spudhauler
No, it isn't. Remember the days of "it's only a few RJs?" I sure do; they were hiring like crazy into them while 1300 of my southern brothers and sisters plus hundreds of our northern brothers and sisters withered away on furlough. If there is no need for it internationally and it isn't viable domestically, it needs to go as soon as the contract allows.
07-02-2017, 07:13 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
I never remember it's only a few RJ's. I took the time to read those contracts and knew exactly how many were coming. Same with both these provisions. Trying to link the two makes zero sense.
07-02-2017, 08:21 AM
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Honest question. Virtual Bases are voluntary. The union could effectively make them useless at any time if they were deemed harmful to the pilot group by instructing the pilot union as a whole not to bid them right? It doesn't seem like the company can "get away" with anything if it is voluntary. What am I missing?
07-02-2017, 08:31 AM
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Originally Posted by 4fans
Honest question. Virtual Bases are voluntary. The union could effectively make them useless at any time if they were deemed harmful to the pilot group by instructing the pilot union as a whole not to bid them right? It doesn't seem like the company can "get away" with anything if it is voluntary. What am I missing?
07-02-2017, 08:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Spudhauler
Spoken like someone who never had to deal with getting furloughed while thousands were hired into replacement jets. I'm glad you avoided that, but to pretend it didn't happen and we didn't turn a blind eye until it was too late is to ignore history. I'm not saying the TDY and VB stuff is the same, but the analogy is appropriate. Management put this in for a reason and are looking at the long game, while we look at the short term pay increases. We need to be forward thinking, and if these truly show themselves to be something that company doesn't need, they should go away as soon as contractually allowed.
