MD-90 going bye-bye?
06-24-2017, 10:22 AM
#31
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[QUOTE=Denny Crane;2384416]
Well, they certainly didn't back fill......... Seattle lost a net 13 A330 Captains. Didn't look at any of the other positions.
Denny
PS: Quoting is messed up.
Denny, they put out repeatedly that they would not backfill SEA because it was overstuffed. They backfilled the other A330 bases fully.
Originally Posted by sailingfun
Well, they certainly didn't back fill......... Seattle lost a net 13 A330 Captains. Didn't look at any of the other positions.
Denny
PS: Quoting is messed up.
06-24-2017, 11:02 AM
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Schoolhouse rumor is md88's start retiring after the summer, gone by year's end 2020. 90's start retiring 2021, and gone by year's end 2023. Rfp for replacement "upcoming" as they don't currently have a 150 - 160 seat aircraft on order to replace. Neo 320's or 737 max 8 were mentioned. Will probably come down which is cheaper.
Again, schoolhouse rumor, so g take it fwiw. 5 year plan changes weekly.
Again, schoolhouse rumor, so g take it fwiw. 5 year plan changes weekly.
06-24-2017, 11:14 AM
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[QUOTE=flensr;2384475]
Buy spirit or frontier and get 1400ish current/qualified A320 drivers plus a bunch of fairly new planes that need repainting and new seats... Would that be enough to replace the MDs?
LOL no.
That is literally less than a zero sum game. Any buyout like that would require top dollar to be paid, and then a significant forced divesture to welfare sucking "new entrants" and "LCC's" for pennies on the dollar or possibly even free. The airlines you mentioned are overflowing with pax on limited capacity as it is, so the pilots and planes they would bring are already spoken for. So we'd have to pay top dollar to acquire marketshare only to abandon it to deploy on existing marketshare. Plus the headaches and civil war that would result from a narrow body group chomping at the bit for full relative, or the "Guadalupe" style response to it.
Very expensive and doesn't accomplish very much. Not very likely to happen. Partial asset purchases might be in the cards in the future, or perhaps carve ups, that don't trigger merger language or DOJ divestures, but the easiest and cheapest way is just to do it ourselves. (ditto for UAL, AA, etc).
Originally Posted by 3 green
Buy spirit or frontier and get 1400ish current/qualified A320 drivers plus a bunch of fairly new planes that need repainting and new seats... Would that be enough to replace the MDs?
That is literally less than a zero sum game. Any buyout like that would require top dollar to be paid, and then a significant forced divesture to welfare sucking "new entrants" and "LCC's" for pennies on the dollar or possibly even free. The airlines you mentioned are overflowing with pax on limited capacity as it is, so the pilots and planes they would bring are already spoken for. So we'd have to pay top dollar to acquire marketshare only to abandon it to deploy on existing marketshare. Plus the headaches and civil war that would result from a narrow body group chomping at the bit for full relative, or the "Guadalupe" style response to it.
Very expensive and doesn't accomplish very much. Not very likely to happen. Partial asset purchases might be in the cards in the future, or perhaps carve ups, that don't trigger merger language or DOJ divestures, but the easiest and cheapest way is just to do it ourselves. (ditto for UAL, AA, etc).
06-24-2017, 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Razorback flyer
Schoolhouse rumor is md88's start retiring after the summer, gone by year's end 2020. 90's start retiring 2021, and gone by year's end 2023. Rfp for replacement "upcoming" as they don't currently have a 150 - 160 seat aircraft on order to replace. Neo 320's or 737 max 8 were mentioned. Will probably come down which is cheaper.
Again, schoolhouse rumor, so g take it fwiw. 5 year plan changes weekly.
Again, schoolhouse rumor, so g take it fwiw. 5 year plan changes weekly.
It could also cause Canadair to front burner the -500 and basically give it away as well. What a coup that would be. Expect an even heaver handed response from the crony caps at BA if that happens though.
DL truly is in the driver's seat with this situation. They control the drawdown of the 90 with cost effective paid for assets with plenty of time left on them. That's usually not the case.
06-24-2017, 11:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Navmode
Let's just hope they don't have the same issues that spirit and Lufthansa has had with the P&W geared engines in their a320 neos 
06-24-2017, 11:29 AM
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[QUOTE=gloopy;2384576]
LOL no.
That is literally less than a zero sum game. Any buyout like that would require top dollar to be paid, and then a significant forced divesture to welfare sucking "new entrants" and "LCC's" for pennies on the dollar or possibly even free. The airlines you mentioned are overflowing with pax on limited capacity as it is, so the pilots and planes they would bring are already spoken for. So we'd have to pay top dollar to acquire marketshare only to abandon it to deploy on existing marketshare. Plus the headaches and civil war that would result from a narrow body group chomping at the bit for full relative, or the "Guadalupe" style response to it.
Very expensive and doesn't accomplish very much. Not very likely to happen. Partial asset purchases might be in the cards in the future, or perhaps carve ups, that don't trigger merger language or DOJ divestures, but the easiest and cheapest way is just to do it ourselves. (ditto for UAL, AA, etc).
I didn't post that, so i don't know why it has my username..I agree with what you say.
Originally Posted by flensr
LOL no.
That is literally less than a zero sum game. Any buyout like that would require top dollar to be paid, and then a significant forced divesture to welfare sucking "new entrants" and "LCC's" for pennies on the dollar or possibly even free. The airlines you mentioned are overflowing with pax on limited capacity as it is, so the pilots and planes they would bring are already spoken for. So we'd have to pay top dollar to acquire marketshare only to abandon it to deploy on existing marketshare. Plus the headaches and civil war that would result from a narrow body group chomping at the bit for full relative, or the "Guadalupe" style response to it.
Very expensive and doesn't accomplish very much. Not very likely to happen. Partial asset purchases might be in the cards in the future, or perhaps carve ups, that don't trigger merger language or DOJ divestures, but the easiest and cheapest way is just to do it ourselves. (ditto for UAL, AA, etc).
06-24-2017, 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Razorback flyer
Schoolhouse rumor is md88's start retiring after the summer, gone by year's end 2020. 90's start retiring 2021, and gone by year's end 2023. Rfp for replacement "upcoming" as they don't currently have a 150 - 160 seat aircraft on order to replace. Neo 320's or 737 max 8 were mentioned. Will probably come down which is cheaper.
Again, schoolhouse rumor, so g take it fwiw. 5 year plan changes weekly.
Again, schoolhouse rumor, so g take it fwiw. 5 year plan changes weekly.
http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/boeing-signs-commitment-with-unidentified-customer-for-125-737-max-8-airplanes-300478131.html
Too bad the CS500 isn't ready yet.
06-24-2017, 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by 3 green
When people are replying to quotes it is putting the wrong name as the poster ..Anyone else notice this, and why is it doing it?
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