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LumberJack 08-04-2017 12:58 AM

DAL MEC Expenses (millions)
2009 - $8.5
2010 - $8.7 (+2%)
2011 - $9.5 (+9%)
2012 - $11.3 (+19%)
2013 - $11.1 (-2%)
2014 - $12.8 (+15%)
2015 - $16.8 (+31%)
2016 - $18.1 (+8%)

We're making more and there are a lot more of us. Give them more and they will find a way to spend it. I understand that more people also means more expenses, but I highly doubt they need twice as much today as 5 years ago.

I'm grateful for ALPA and all their services, I just think reasonable oversight needs to be done just like every industry.

TonyC 08-04-2017 04:31 AM


Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 2404355)

Dues lowering made it to national not long ago... your airline was a factor in poo-pooing the lowering of dues.

That is not okay at all.


Bologna.

FedEx was NOT against lowering of dues.

FedEx WAS against having dues assessed on more components of compensation than other airlines.






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Flytolive 08-04-2017 04:56 AM


Originally Posted by LumberJack (Post 2404368)
DAL MEC Expenses (millions)
2009 - $8.5
2010 - $8.7 (+2%)
2011 - $9.5 (+9%)
2012 - $11.3 (+19%)
2013 - $11.1 (-2%)
2014 - $12.8 (+15%)
2015 - $16.8 (+31%)
2016 - $18.1 (+8%)

DAL and NWA announced the merger on 4/15/08 and got a single operating certificate in 2010. You might want to include the NWA MEC expenditures for an apples to apples, YOY comparison.

There was also PWA2012, PWA2016 and the failed TA in between. Obviously, expenses should return to normal after contract negotiations, but the ROI was pretty good IMO.

Finally, isn't a common complaint about ALPA from pilots at the majors that their dues exceed the money at their MEC's disposal?

maddogmax 08-04-2017 05:04 AM

I was very pleased with the refund. Retired in Sep 2012 and got a check for $171. Bought my beer for a week.��

Michael Scott 08-04-2017 05:34 AM


Originally Posted by maddogmax (Post 2404408)
I was very pleased with the refund. Retired in Sep 2012 and got a check for $171. Bought my beer for a week.��

Are they seriously mailing checks out?

Denny Crane 08-04-2017 05:49 AM


Originally Posted by Michael Scott (Post 2404420)
Are they seriously mailing checks out?

Yes. I got mine a few days ago. Realize that the refund covers years 2011, 2012, 2013 and 2014.

Denny

ExAF 08-04-2017 06:24 AM

While I'm pleased to get ANYTHING back from the sucking hole that is ALPA dues, it is time to lower the dues rate. Better than a sharp stick in the eye.;)

Reroute 08-04-2017 09:04 AM


Originally Posted by TonyC (Post 2404400)
Bologna.

FedEx was NOT against lowering of dues.

FedEx WAS against having dues assessed on more components of compensation than other airlines.






.

That's not true, I was there. FDX and UAL joined to amend the dues reduction resolution at the BOD in 2014, stripping away the dues reduction from the resolution and substituting some let's continue to study this language. Political pandering to the B carriers.

Michael Scott 08-04-2017 09:24 AM


Originally Posted by Denny Crane (Post 2404429)
Yes. I got mine a few days ago. Realize that the refund covers years 2011, 2012, 2013 and 2014.

Denny

Thank you. I hope it's not designed to look like spam. That has hosed me in the past!

DALFA 08-04-2017 09:28 AM


Originally Posted by LumberJack (Post 2404368)
DAL MEC Expenses (millions)
2009 - $8.5
2010 - $8.7 (+2%)
2011 - $9.5 (+9%)
2012 - $11.3 (+19%)
2013 - $11.1 (-2%)
2014 - $12.8 (+15%)
2015 - $16.8 (+31%)
2016 - $18.1 (+8%)

We're making more and there are a lot more of us. Give them more and they will find a way to spend it. I understand that more people also means more expenses, but I highly doubt they need twice as much today as 5 years ago.

I'm grateful for ALPA and all their services, I just think reasonable oversight needs to be done just like every industry.

One of the biggest expenses of any union is flight pay loss.

TOS for 777A on 1/1/2009 was $198.00 and today it's $330.00. A 67% increase. So that alone would justify a substantial increase in expenses. Also consider that in 2015/2016 you had substantial expenses due to TA1 & TA2.


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