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Old 09-16-2017 | 07:56 AM
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So how many minimum contractual NRT departures did we have for the company to code share before the Apple Dumpling Gang gave it all away?

Has anyone noticed the growth of our codeshare/JV partners vs ours? Bangkok, Taipei, Guam... whats next? Manila, Saipan, Singpore, Palau? These JVs our saving our bacon!
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Old 09-16-2017 | 08:27 AM
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Don't worry, United can get you there easily. Sometimes non-stop from the US.
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Old 09-16-2017 | 08:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Schwanker
So how many minimum contractual NRT departures did we have for the company to code share before the Apple Dumpling Gang gave it all away?

Has anyone noticed the growth of our codeshare/JV partners vs ours? Bangkok, Taipei, Guam... whats next? Manila, Saipan, Singpore, Palau? These JVs our saving our bacon!
The reality is we had none. The entire agreement on minimum departures was based on allowing the company to code share on a couple of routes to NRT from Far East destination. Those routes in total generated around 250,000 a year in revenue. The company only had to stop those codeshares and our flight requirements out of NRT would have been zero.
Even our current MEC chairman praised the agreement netting Pacific wide protections as a excellent accomplishment after the fact although strangely he voted against it.
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Old 09-16-2017 | 08:36 AM
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EXCELLENT ACCOMPLISHMENTS...

Just what I was thinking. We were being sold this concept of overflying the NRT hub and doing it from SEA. Good thing Korean Air is saving us because we forgot to put these NRT overflights on the schedule.
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Old 09-16-2017 | 10:01 AM
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You guys have something against flying 737's or 320's for the rest of your careeer? Huh?
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Old 09-16-2017 | 02:21 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
The reality is we had none. The entire agreement on minimum departures was based on allowing the company to code share on a couple of routes to NRT from Far East destination. Those routes in total generated around 250,000 a year in revenue. The company only had to stop those codeshares and our flight requirements out of NRT would have been zero.
Even our current MEC chairman praised the agreement netting Pacific wide protections as a excellent accomplishment after the fact although strangely he voted against it.
Not so strange as many in the MEC vote against things either because they like the optics for populist reasons or they're stupid. Clearly the MEC Chairman is not stupid so it is for the optics.

At some point behavior like this is going to cost us some serious coin.
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Old 09-17-2017 | 07:36 PM
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Not so strange as many in the MEC vote against things either because they like the optics for populist reasons or they're stupid. Clearly the MEC Chairman is not stupid so it is for the optics.

At some point behavior like this is going to cost us some serious coin.
Optics costing us money? "On time On target" TA1 optics would have cost us if we hadn't stopped that. Was that MEC chair stupid or was he trying to control the optics? Or both? Geeesh.

The expected sour grapes whining is just part of the background noise now.
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Old 09-18-2017 | 05:17 AM
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It'll be interesting to revisit this convo in a couple years when SEA is built up, the 330NEOs arrived, and Profits flowing. We might even have the 787 ordered by then too since the ER can't last forever. #KeepClimbingDelta
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Old 09-18-2017 | 05:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Trip7
It'll be interesting to revisit this convo in a couple years when SEA is built up, the 330NEOs arrived, and Profits flowing. We might even have the 787 ordered by then too since the ER can't last forever. #KeepClimbingDelta
if only we paid them our highest rate....
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Old 09-18-2017 | 05:52 AM
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Originally Posted by notEnuf
Optics costing us money? "On time On target" TA1 optics would have cost us if we hadn't stopped that. Was that MEC chair stupid or was he trying to control the optics? Or both? Geeesh.

The expected sour grapes whining is just part of the background noise now.
Time will tell. If optics drags C2019 into 2023 then yes it will cost is money. If not, then you are correct.
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