Ending Seniority
10-13-2017 | 06:53 AM
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10-13-2017 | 08:30 AM
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Overall seniority might be a moot point, base seniority is probably more relevant. For example, from what I hear at delta of the top 1,000 pilots on the list about 90 are in NYC on anything. That's kinda drastic. So someone who wants NYC but is only gonna be 1,000-2000 at retirement would still do very well in certain bases, moreso than other bases.
10-13-2017 | 09:57 AM
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Thanks for all the good info guys. I know you have hired more than us recently and also for longer. I was shocked by a friend saying I'd be 1000-2000 numbers lower than I am at UAL when I punch out even though Ives only been here a little while. (Not thinking of moving I live in base)
10-13-2017 | 10:05 AM
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So..... What would your seniority be if there was a nuclear attack in 2027 that only affected the west coast bases, lax/sea/slc/msp? Those guys became NBC. That's a commonly used phrase in the industry that is only used by us but we don't know that.
And then we merged with United but only the EWR and IAH base, where we then promptly closed ewr and moved everyone to JFK and then back to LGA and relied heavily on MD-88 and DC-9s just because we went bankrupt.
Got invaded by Canadians. We're forced to buy C Series jets and end up still saying no.
Now what millenials?
Where you retiring now?!?
And then we merged with United but only the EWR and IAH base, where we then promptly closed ewr and moved everyone to JFK and then back to LGA and relied heavily on MD-88 and DC-9s just because we went bankrupt.
Got invaded by Canadians. We're forced to buy C Series jets and end up still saying no.
Now what millenials?
Where you retiring now?!?
Too all my fellow "left coast westys" ......................surfs up brah!
UT and MN finally get to eat with the cool kids.
10-13-2017 | 10:14 AM
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That Ben Affleck reference wasn't lost on me.
Then again, I never endured a butt squeeze with a finger surprise...Which is what I guess you meant by the rest of your post above the Buttman.
Then again, I never endured a butt squeeze with a finger surprise...Which is what I guess you meant by the rest of your post above the Buttman.
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10-13-2017 | 10:17 AM
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Thanks for all the good info guys. I know you have hired more than us recently and also for longer. I was shocked by a friend saying I'd be 1000-2000 numbers lower than I am at UAL when I punch out even though Ives only been here a little while. (Not thinking of moving I live in base)
10-13-2017 | 10:23 AM
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10-13-2017 | 10:35 AM
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USAF /Ozark / TWA / AA
Good friend of mine started with USAF, then went to Ozark in the late 1970s at age 28. When Ozark was bought out with TWA, they did it pretty much as straight seniority integration.
If TWA had stayed as a separate airline, his seniority number would have been #90 when he retired. He would have been flying captain on the 747 trans Atlantic.
When AA bought TWA, the seniority integration was offset for him downward by about 10 years. A few years ago he retired at age 65; he was about #1,000. He retired as captain on the 757 flying domestic.
For those not familiar with the seniority list integration, approximately the top half of the TWA pilots were offset downward by 10 years. In other words, a 20 year TWA was at the same place as a 10 year AA. The bottom half of the TWA pilots got stapled below.
The FA for TWA were stapled in their entirety. In other words, a 37 year TWA FA was below a 1 year AA FA.
At this point it is what it is, and we move on. So not complaining. Just informing of history. (Just don’t mention the name of Carl Icahn, the corporate rader. He sold off prime gates and routed for TWA (Heathrow, for example and pocketed the cash. He drove TWA into bankruptcy.)
If TWA had stayed as a separate airline, his seniority number would have been #90 when he retired. He would have been flying captain on the 747 trans Atlantic.
When AA bought TWA, the seniority integration was offset for him downward by about 10 years. A few years ago he retired at age 65; he was about #1,000. He retired as captain on the 757 flying domestic.
For those not familiar with the seniority list integration, approximately the top half of the TWA pilots were offset downward by 10 years. In other words, a 20 year TWA was at the same place as a 10 year AA. The bottom half of the TWA pilots got stapled below.
The FA for TWA were stapled in their entirety. In other words, a 37 year TWA FA was below a 1 year AA FA.
At this point it is what it is, and we move on. So not complaining. Just informing of history. (Just don’t mention the name of Carl Icahn, the corporate rader. He sold off prime gates and routed for TWA (Heathrow, for example and pocketed the cash. He drove TWA into bankruptcy.)
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