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Dustycrophopper 12-13-2017 08:12 PM

It will probably end up being 2 years from now 100 321 Neo and 100 max aircraft
In 10 years this is how I see Delta
Cs 100 and 300
737-900 , Max8 and max 10
Airbus 321 and 321 Neo
A 330 and a 330 Neo
A350

80ktsClamp 12-13-2017 08:35 PM


Originally Posted by badflaps (Post 2483053)
Please, unducted fan.:cool:



80ktsClamp 12-13-2017 08:36 PM


Originally Posted by Dustycrophopper (Post 2483067)
It will probably end up being 2 years from now 100 321 Neo and 100 max aircraft
In 10 years this is how I see Delta
Cs 100 and 300
737-900 , Max8 and max 10
Airbus 321 and 321 Neo
A 330 and a 330 Neo
A350

I'll be the contrarian and say that the 787 and 797 will end up in there...

RockyBoy 12-13-2017 08:40 PM


Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 2483075)
I'll be the contrarian and say that the 787 and 797 will end up in there...*

*Operated by Joint Venture Partners AeroMexico and WestJet

80ktsClamp 12-13-2017 08:42 PM


Originally Posted by RockyBoy (Post 2483078)
*Operated by Joint Venture Partners AeroMexico and WestJet

booo.... dumb.

We're doing fine and the airline is growing in spades. What we do need to do is fight to keep that going in our favor.

I'd be willing to be that we'll see the 787 at the least amongst our ranks before 2025

FogSkier 12-13-2017 10:37 PM

I suspect that this order MAY get Boeing to commit to their M.O.M new narrow body and that will probably be on that list.

Hopefully everything DL orders from here on out has a headrest!!

forgot to bid 12-14-2017 01:43 AM


Originally Posted by FogSkier (Post 2483095)
I suspect that this order MAY get Boeing to commit to their M.O.M new narrow body and that will probably be on that list.

Hopefully everything DL orders from here on out has a headrest!!

And an intercom.

Dustycrophopper 12-14-2017 03:16 AM


Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 2483110)
And an intercom.

And a recall system!

forgot to bid 12-14-2017 03:58 AM


Originally Posted by Dustycrophopper (Post 2483122)
And a recall system!

And a speed tape.

FMGEC 12-14-2017 04:17 AM

The official announcement. 100 firm, with 100 options. Delivery starts 2020. PW’s are the engine.

http://news.delta.com/delta-selects-airbus-a321neo-narrowbody-fleet-renewal

Milk Man 12-14-2017 04:56 AM


Originally Posted by FMGEC (Post 2483135)
The official announcement. 100 firm, with 100 options. Delivery starts 2020. PW’s are the engine.

http://news.delta.com/delta-selects-airbus-a321neo-narrowbody-fleet-renewal

Arent the PW the less desirable ones?

BigHitterLlama 12-14-2017 05:01 AM


Originally Posted by Milk Man (Post 2483157)
Arent the PW the less desirable ones?

GTF - looks like same as the c series will have.

FMGEC 12-14-2017 05:09 AM


Originally Posted by Milk Man (Post 2483157)
Arent the PW the less desirable ones?

Yeah- NK had issues with a similar (not the same) variant voluntarily shutting down during cruise.

The HAL 321’s have the PurePower PW’s on their new etops 321’s. The assumption is that is what DAL is getting.

Plus- DAL has the luxury of 24 months of further tweaking and improvements being done by other carriers prior to delivery to ATL.

Stay tuned

BobZ 12-14-2017 05:11 AM

It would seem the P&W overhaul component is pretty huge part of this deal.

Once the P&W design matures, delta tech ops will be positioned as the dominant overhaul facility for an industry standard engine.

Smart move. All our jv partners need to get their oil changes somplace. May as well be in our garage. :)

And im gona give our team the credit and assume built in economic offsets from AB/PW if the promised operational goals are not achieved.

TransWorld 12-14-2017 05:21 AM


Originally Posted by BobZ (Post 2483165)
All our jv partners need to get their oil changes somplace. May as well be in our garage. :)

Not to mention get their blinker fluid checked.

GogglesPisano 12-14-2017 06:17 AM


Originally Posted by Milk Man (Post 2483157)
Arent the PW the less desirable ones?

Pratts are fine, just a little sluggish.

"There goes Pratt ... (1 Mississippi, 2 Mississippi ..)

and there goes Whitney."

Now apparently there are gears to turn as well.

badflaps 12-14-2017 07:25 AM

The big Mexican overhaul facility will fit in nicely.

SideSticker 12-14-2017 08:02 AM


Originally Posted by Dustycrophopper (Post 2483067)
It will probably end up being 2 years from now 100 321 Neo and 100 max aircraft
In 10 years this is how I see Delta
Cs 100 and 300
737-900 , Max8 and max 10
Airbus 321 and 321 Neo
A 330 and a 330 Neo
A350

It will be fun watching the Airbus haters fighting over the shrinking Boeing jobs in the years to come.:p

Chakerik 12-14-2017 08:26 AM


Originally Posted by SideSticker (Post 2483271)
It will be fun watching the Airbus haters fighting over the shrinking Boeing jobs in the years to come.:p

73N will be the most senior plane in a few years:D

Dustycrophopper 12-14-2017 08:32 AM

Do we know yet if these are the LR versions and is it safe to say that as the classic 321 and Neo 321 come on board anywhere you see a 757 now you will see that later?

notEnuf 12-14-2017 10:49 AM

200 if the options are exercised. This will be by far the largest fleet at Delta. Get comfortable with the idea that Europe is only an 8 hour narrow-body ride away. And I thought the 757 was bad on transatlantic flights.

Well now you know why wide-body block hours are set at the floor and not a ratio.

Bring on the rest facility grievance now, so we can get this over with.

Maybe we can get a lower lobe hidey-hole. Hope you French speakers aren't claustrophobic.

Planetrain 12-14-2017 11:38 AM


Originally Posted by notEnuf (Post 2483356)
200 if the options are exercised. This will be by far the largest fleet at Delta. Get comfortable with the idea that Europe is only an 8 hour narrow-body ride away. And I thought the 757 was bad on transatlantic flights.

Well now you know why wide-body block hours are set at the floor and not a ratio.

Bring on the rest facility grievance now, so we can get this over with.

Maybe we can get a lower lobe hidey-hole. Hope you French speakers aren't claustrophobic.

A321 hours dont count in block hour floor. These would be extra hours if flown across the pond.

notEnuf 12-14-2017 11:42 AM


Originally Posted by Planetrain (Post 2483376)
A321 hours dont count in block hour floor. These would be extra hours if flown across the pond.

Exactly. The floor is lower than current flying, with no mechanism to bring it up.

Planetrain 12-14-2017 11:56 AM

Other than all the other sections of scope....

My point is our widebody hours can't be robbed by A321 transatlantic hours. Do you understand the threat that would have existed without the protections of the block hour floor?

notEnuf 12-14-2017 12:18 PM


Originally Posted by Planetrain (Post 2483384)
Other than all the other sections of scope....

My point is our widebody hours can't be robbed by A321 transatlantic hours. Do you understand the threat that would have existed without the protections of the block hour floor?

Do you understand the Macro trends across the Atlantic that will reduce those hours to the floor. Hopefully not below, like the AF/KLM EASKs that required a rewrite.

We are a narrow-body airline. Our partners will do the heavy lifting.

200 321s. 25, no 15 350s. 0 744s, Aging 777s.

qball 12-14-2017 12:33 PM


Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 2483080)
booo.... dumb.

We're doing fine and the airline is growing in spades. What we do need to do is fight to keep that going in our favor.

I'd be willing to be that we'll see the 787 at the least amongst our ranks before 2025

They should be 10 years old by then....with that good used car smell.

Karnak 12-14-2017 01:42 PM


Originally Posted by notEnuf (Post 2483404)
We are a narrow-body airline. Our partners will do the heavy lifting.

200 321s. 25, no 15 350s. 0 744s, Aging 777s.

Why did you choose to ignore the A330 & 767 fleets?

saturn 12-14-2017 01:47 PM


Originally Posted by notEnuf (Post 2483404)
Do you understand the Macro trends across the Atlantic that will reduce those hours to the floor. Hopefully not below, like the AF/KLM EASKs that required a rewrite.

We are a narrow-body airline. Our partners will do the heavy lifting.

200 321s. 25, no 15 350s. 0 744s, Aging 777s.

In service today we have 150 WBs. We have 42 330s, and we're supposed to get a total of 67. 330s+350s=92. 21 764s, 18 777s. 189 Widebodies including 763ER (58) which might be out in the next half a decade, which would leave us at 131.
I see at some point down the road needing another WB order. Thats just to stand pat with where we are today.

Xray678 12-14-2017 01:54 PM


Originally Posted by saturn (Post 2483460)
In service today we have 150 WBs. We have 42 330s, and we're supposed to get a total of 67. 330s+350s=92. 21 764s, 18 777s. 189 Widebodies including 763ER (58) which might be out in the next half a decade, which would leave us at 131.
I see at some point down the road needing another WB order. Thats just to stand pat with where we are today.

I don’t count the ER as a wide body......it has narrow body pay.

forgot to bid 12-14-2017 03:33 PM


Originally Posted by notEnuf (Post 2483356)
200 if the options are exercised. This will be by far the largest fleet at Delta.

We have 28 321s flying right now.
94 more to go.
Then possibly 200 a321Neos.

322 A321s.
65 A320s
57 A319s

=
Yuge fleet of 444 A320 types

notEnuf 12-14-2017 03:33 PM

In pay the 767 and 757-300 are not wide-bodies but carry 230ish passengers. The diameter of the tube isn't really relevant anymore. The efficiency of scale is the real measure.

We will not expand traditional "wide-body" routes. Our partners on the other hand are ordering growth airplanes like 787s and 777-300s.

https://www.thestar.com/business/201...ce-routes.html

notEnuf 12-14-2017 03:39 PM


Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 2483545)
We have 28 321s flying right now.
94 more to go.
Then possibly 200 a321Neos.

322 A321s.
65 A320s
57 A319s

=
Yuge fleet of 444 A320 types

Sacrebleu!!! :eek:

My head hurts.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-8o12WV6SkX...rief-model.png

GyroNole 12-14-2017 05:13 PM


Originally Posted by Chakerik (Post 2483283)
73N will be the most senior plane in a few years:D



Moreso than the ER ya think?


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forgot to bid 12-14-2017 05:20 PM


Originally Posted by GyroNole (Post 2483610)
Moreso than the ER ya think?


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ER will be gone. :eek:

forgot to bid 12-14-2017 05:21 PM


Originally Posted by notEnuf (Post 2483554)

Denial is where you blame the Russians.

Chakerik 12-14-2017 05:21 PM


Originally Posted by GyroNole (Post 2483610)
Moreso than the ER ya think?


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Nah, but those will be gone long before the new 73n are.

GyroNole 12-14-2017 05:21 PM


Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 2483613)
ER will be gone. :eek:



In like 15 years


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Bluto 12-14-2017 05:22 PM


Originally Posted by GyroNole (Post 2483610)
Moreso than the ER ya think?


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ERs are getting pretty long in the tooth. Their retirement can’t be too far behind the MDs.

GyroNole 12-14-2017 05:28 PM

100 321 NEO Order
 

Originally Posted by GyroNole (Post 2483616)
In like 15 years


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And I think I heard we brought, or are in the process of bringing 31 x 752s out of the desert

That was from an LCA after one of their last pow wows


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saturn 12-14-2017 05:36 PM

Second oldest fleet after the MD-88 is the A320. There's still 40-45 built between '90-'93 out there. I'm sure they'll soon be reincarnated as cans of water on Southwest.


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