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Old 05-31-2018 | 06:14 AM
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Originally Posted by GogglesPisano
Health insurance, health insurance, health insurance.

Lower premiums, lower deductible.
This^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

And better coverage
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Old 05-31-2018 | 06:19 AM
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Originally Posted by rvr350
For me to start with:

1) training/vacation pays 5:15, period. It is a NO vote for me if it cannot be implemented.

2) increase rate of annual vacay accural.
Are these "low hanging fruit" items?

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3) Increase either ivd or apd days. We are all getting burned out in tight staffing category.
Huh? Have you commented on the "SIL" thread about this? If not, could you describe how you reached the conclusion we "all" are getting burned out?

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4) Better health coverage, ie lower premiums. It is supposed to be a “benefit”, not another way for revenue.
Please provide your proof that our health coverage is revenue for Delta. Numbers and amounts would be nice.

I think all of your items are worthy. I think none of your assumptions are.
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Old 05-31-2018 | 06:30 AM
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Originally Posted by JamesBond
Years ago I wrote to one of the large hotel chains that we stayed at a lot and asked about getting points. They said that since the airline was getting such a great rate on the rooms that we would not be eligible for any points. I asked about a reduced accumulation rate and they said no. It's not fair since every businessman out there gets airline miles, hotel points, rental cars etc etc etc and we get bupkus. I don't see any way that will change. It would be nice though.

James Bond. I truly realize this is not a no cost item to Delta, but I would think that for a few dollars more per night we could accrue points. So I would put it in the category 'low cost'. The question is, "is it worth the negotiating capital ?"

Many of the other 'suggestions' are not no cost, low cost, or moderate cost but rather fall in the category of huge cost. I'm all for the vacation , health care etc. etc but those are HUUUGE costs
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Old 05-31-2018 | 07:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Buck Rogers
James Bond. I truly realize this is not a no cost item to Delta, but I would think that for a few dollars more per night we could accrue points. So I would put it in the category 'low cost'. The question is, "is it worth the negotiating capital ?"

Many of the other 'suggestions' are not no cost, low cost, or moderate cost but rather fall in the category of huge cost. I'm all for the vacation , health care etc. etc but those are HUUUGE costs
Honestly I don't think this is a Delta thing. I think it is a hotel thing. I'm just spitballing, but maybe if ALPA only approved hotels that gave us some sort of reward. The hotel committee does have some power I think. I'm with you though. It would definitely be a nice perk that every other business traveler gets.
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Old 05-31-2018 | 08:21 AM
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I agree wholeheartedly
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Old 05-31-2018 | 08:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Buck Rogers
You may not agree with my premise but hopefully you can at least see some semblance of logic in my suggestion. Let me try again...

1. All pilots should be treated equally rearking
2. Commuters/ Commuters in a FA base/ In base pilots
3. If the company isn't going to treat us all equally that is divisive
4. We may have to demonstrate that, as stupid as it is, contractually
commuters can get in base parking at Delta's expense....but that
expense is wasted because the commuter accrues no benefit for
the expenditure.
5. Instead of wasting the money, use it for it's intended benefit--
parking for ALL pilots, paid by the company
I see your logic, but I think the initial assumption has a flaw.

We are all treated equally WRT free parking. Then...some of us choose to live away from that free parking.

If you believe commuters should be given special treatment, as they are WRT Jumpseat booking, then maybe we can offer a package that follows your logic precisely:

1. All pilots get exactly the same airport parking value.
2. All pilots get exactly the same jumpseating booking window (ie: no more "to work" or "from work" early opportunity)

That eliminates your #3 item.
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Old 05-31-2018 | 08:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Karnak
I see your logic, but I think the initial assumption has a flaw.

We are all treated equally WRT free parking. Then...some of us choose to live away from that free parking.

If you believe commuters should be given special treatment, as they are WRT Jumpseat booking, then maybe we can offer a package that follows your logic precisely:

1. All pilots get exactly the same airport parking value.
2. All pilots get exactly the same jumpseating booking window (ie: no more "to work" or "from work" early opportunity)

That eliminates your #3 item.
If all of a sudden every pilot / FA based in ATL stopped commuting and used their parking benefit, would there be room in the lot?
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Old 05-31-2018 | 09:05 AM
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Originally Posted by MoonShot
If all of a sudden every pilot / FA based in ATL stopped commuting and used their parking benefit, would there be room in the lot?
If every pilot and FA based in ATL suddenly started taking Uber/Lyft to work, or used MARTA or the bus, the parking lot would be empty.

Hypotheticals are a two-edged sword.
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Old 05-31-2018 | 09:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Buck Rogers
What do you think about hotel points?

Pros: The guys away from home get rewarded for their QOL
The more your are gone, the more benefits you accrue

Cons: We will be negotiating this for FA's also therefore less bang for
the buck
We all contribute to the corporation therefore, those never getting
called out don't accumulate any rewards
Imagine standing in line while every crew member, FAs included, gets their rewards number associated with the room for the hotel points. It would take far too long. For most travelling professionals, the reservations are made in advance under the individual's name, with the rewards number already populated, billed to their credit card, then reimbursed when they fill out a monthly expense report. In our case, Delta has a block of rooms under the company name, we just add our name upon arrival for accountability.

I like the concept of getting hotel points and stay credits, but it is a PITA. Just bump my per diem.
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Old 05-31-2018 | 09:52 AM
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The most intriguing suggestion I have heard so far is to negotiate only for a BIG pay raise. Then each of us could use that money toward what we individually find important....

Retirement: You’d have more to save/invest however you choose. Stocks? Rental properties? Bury it in the back yard? Your choice!
Travel Benefits: Buy a positive space ticket, accumulate SkyMiles.
Health Care: You’d have more cash to offset your deductible or pay for prescriptions.
Airport Parking: Park wherever you want... valet if you’d like.
Spend it Frivolously: sex, drugs, rock & roll.

The point is this: everyone’s needs (and wants) are different and are ever changing which is ultimately what this thread is about. Cash allows each of us to choose how we’d like to improve our own circumstances, and it gives us the reasource to do something about it.

This is clearly an oversimplification to a complex issue, and suggested only as a point of discussion, but ultimately, everyone loves a BIG PAY RAISE!
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