ATC Phraseology
04-21-2018, 09:22 AM
#21
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Originally Posted by 2StgTurbine
"Atlanta approach, Delta 1827 descending through one-four thousand four hundred-forty feet for one four thousand feet, information charlie" 
04-21-2018, 09:34 AM
#22
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Originally Posted by Han Solo
Lighten up Francis, this isn't Red Flag. Better idea, controllers should stop being dicks, problem solved.
04-21-2018, 09:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Gunfighter
It may not be Red Flag, but ATL radios can be just as congested as the Nellis ranges. The same logic applies, correct and standardized comm helps all of us out.
"leveling 1-4 thousand"
"passing 1-4 thousand 3 hundred for 1-4 thousand"
Both are 100% clear and concise, one uses more radio time.
04-21-2018, 10:11 AM
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Originally Posted by FL370esq
Lol.....good one. However, was that retort followed by, "Delta xxxx, I have holding instructions...advise when ready to copy." 😁
04-21-2018, 10:52 AM
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It isn't a US versus THEM game - it is a team effort.
ATC uses non-standard comm all the time, so do some pilots.
Sometimes it isn't a problem, sometimes it is.
ATC doesn't need to get snarky and neither do the pilots.
Professionalism on both sides of the scope.
ATC uses non-standard comm all the time, so do some pilots.
Sometimes it isn't a problem, sometimes it is.
ATC doesn't need to get snarky and neither do the pilots.
Professionalism on both sides of the scope.
04-21-2018, 11:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Han Solo
Ok, let's count syllables.
"leveling 1-4 thousand"
"passing 1-4 thousand 3 hundred for 1-4 thousand"
Both are 100% clear and concise, one uses more radio time.
"leveling 1-4 thousand"
"passing 1-4 thousand 3 hundred for 1-4 thousand"
Both are 100% clear and concise, one uses more radio time.
Already been acknowledged by the OP that "leveling" isn't standard comm.
"Passing" is totally out.
Adding "for" into a transmission (unless you mean the number Four) is also incorrect.
If you're leveling - then you're level. Simply state your altitude.
If you're not, then you are "Descending" or "Climbing".
"1-4 thousand 3 hundred descending 1-4 thousand" - Not that difficult.
04-21-2018, 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted by MFan97
How many of you use the word “leveling” from time to time? As in “Delta 123 leveling 14,000”.
I ask because I was ripped a new one by a very rude ATL approach controller recently. We were descending through 14,400 at a rate of about 2,000fpm, our rate was slowly decreasing to hold 14,000. Perhaps 15 seconds or so from being level. I checked in with “Delta 123 leveling 14,000”, and he just went off on me.
My research leads me to believe that the controller was probably correct that this isn’t 100% by-the-book phraseology, but I know I’m not that unusual in saying it. I’ve tried to filter out perceived annoying things like “with you” from my calls...never knew that this was so objectable.
Most of what bothers me is, what possesses people to be dicks? This was not the time or place for an unsolicited lesson, especially for something so petty.
Thoughts?
I ask because I was ripped a new one by a very rude ATL approach controller recently. We were descending through 14,400 at a rate of about 2,000fpm, our rate was slowly decreasing to hold 14,000. Perhaps 15 seconds or so from being level. I checked in with “Delta 123 leveling 14,000”, and he just went off on me.
My research leads me to believe that the controller was probably correct that this isn’t 100% by-the-book phraseology, but I know I’m not that unusual in saying it. I’ve tried to filter out perceived annoying things like “with you” from my calls...never knew that this was so objectable.
Most of what bothers me is, what possesses people to be dicks? This was not the time or place for an unsolicited lesson, especially for something so petty.
Thoughts?
04-21-2018, 01:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Longduckdong
Or you can just wait a few more seconds until you decidedly level before “checking in.”
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