Bernstein Presentation
05-31-2018 | 05:26 PM
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I don’t know how to phrase this but my intent is not to be pessimistic or throw rocks or anything like that.
I’m still new and I’ve heard a lot of talk from captains that “scope/jv’s/loss of international” is going to be my and my contemporaries problems and if something isn’t done we “won’t have much of a career” or something negative to that effect. I understand that a lot has been lost on the international side up to this point. But when I ask what can be done about it or how this problem gets fixed I get a lot of “that radio call was for us” type responses. I’m all for fixing the problems but being new and clueless it would be nice to hear ideas on how to go about that. Bullets are notoriously difficult to get back in the gun once the trigger is pulled. There also tends to be a fair amount of union impotency comments. Does anybody have a solution? People tend to get disgruntled when dalpa filed a grievance and it’s basically the only dance move I’ve seen so I guess I’m just curious.
Thanks for posting these links and dates NE.
I’m still new and I’ve heard a lot of talk from captains that “scope/jv’s/loss of international” is going to be my and my contemporaries problems and if something isn’t done we “won’t have much of a career” or something negative to that effect. I understand that a lot has been lost on the international side up to this point. But when I ask what can be done about it or how this problem gets fixed I get a lot of “that radio call was for us” type responses. I’m all for fixing the problems but being new and clueless it would be nice to hear ideas on how to go about that. Bullets are notoriously difficult to get back in the gun once the trigger is pulled. There also tends to be a fair amount of union impotency comments. Does anybody have a solution? People tend to get disgruntled when dalpa filed a grievance and it’s basically the only dance move I’ve seen so I guess I’m just curious.
Thanks for posting these links and dates NE.
1. Make it abundantly clear to your DALPA reps at every opportunity that Scope is the #1 issue for coming contracts. Urge them to stand firm on at least 50% as a MINIMUM production balance in any JV (that's 50% in any and all possible metrics that can be applied). We may not be able to immediately undue some of the damage done, but we can at least hold a line on future JVs.
2. Exercise your vote with the proper emphasis on Scope in upcoming contracts. If there's any issue that should be a single issue voting criteria in future contracts, it's Scope. If Scope is not acceptable in the next contract, be ready to vote "NO" and prepare for a long drawn out fight until it is acceptable.
05-31-2018 | 05:56 PM
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As you mention, it's extremely hard to undue the international scope damage already done. But the answer to your question is pretty simple. Going forward, we as a pilot group can do a couple of things to at least stop the progressive erosion of Delta international scope:
1. Make it abundantly clear to your DALPA reps at every opportunity that Scope is the #1 issue for coming contracts. Urge them to stand firm on at least 50% as a MINIMUM production balance in any JV (that's 50% in any and all possible metrics that can be applied). We may not be able to immediately undue some of the damage done, but we can at least hold a line on future JVs.
2. Exercise your vote with the proper emphasis on Scope in upcoming contracts. If there's any issue that should be a single issue voting criteria in future contracts, it's Scope. If Scope is not acceptable in the next contract, be ready to vote "NO" and prepare for a long drawn out fight until it is acceptable.
1. Make it abundantly clear to your DALPA reps at every opportunity that Scope is the #1 issue for coming contracts. Urge them to stand firm on at least 50% as a MINIMUM production balance in any JV (that's 50% in any and all possible metrics that can be applied). We may not be able to immediately undue some of the damage done, but we can at least hold a line on future JVs.
2. Exercise your vote with the proper emphasis on Scope in upcoming contracts. If there's any issue that should be a single issue voting criteria in future contracts, it's Scope. If Scope is not acceptable in the next contract, be ready to vote "NO" and prepare for a long drawn out fight until it is acceptable.
06-01-2018 | 03:47 AM
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Since you mentioned AeroMexico...
https://aeromexico.com/cms/sites/default/files/20180518_Investor_Relations_Presentation-_Full_Version.pdf
Spanish speakers can listen their earnings call.
https://aeromexico.com/cms/sites/default/files/20180518_Investor_Relations_Presentation-_Full_Version.pdf
Spanish speakers can listen their earnings call.
06-01-2018 | 04:05 AM
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From: retired 767(dl)
06-01-2018 | 04:32 AM
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So far, all I have heard is that we are using 1E2 as a backstop and that will eventually force their hand. Everyday that goes by, is another opportunity that AM can add a flight. Doing nothing may not be the best strategy..
There are a lot of tools in the tool box that can be used in negotations when one side seems uninterested in moving off a position. Why are we not using them? I am beginning to wonder if some on the MEC do not want to be held accountable. It may be easier (and they have convinced some of the masses) just to keep avoiding a deal and making it sound like the only result would be to accept the company's position. By doing that, they can look like they held firm and also look like they didn't "cave" off of our opener.
06-01-2018 | 05:39 AM
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Since you mentioned AeroMexico...
https://aeromexico.com/cms/sites/def...ll_Version.pdf
Spanish speakers can listen their earnings call.
https://aeromexico.com/cms/sites/def...ll_Version.pdf
Spanish speakers can listen their earnings call.
06-01-2018 | 06:10 AM
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Standing firm is great, but in the mean time there is no production balance. Nobody expects them to accept the company's position, nor does anyone think that the company would accept our opener, but more importantly, what are we doing to move negotiations along?
So far, all I have heard is that we are using 1E2 as a backstop and that will eventually force their hand. Everyday that goes by, is another opportunity that AM can add a flight. Doing nothing may not be the best strategy..
There are a lot of tools in the tool box that can be used in negotations when one side seems uninterested in moving off a position. Why are we not using them? I am beginning to wonder if some on the MEC do not want to be held accountable. It may be easier (and they have convinced some of the masses) just to keep avoiding a deal and making it sound like the only result would be to accept the company's position. By doing that, they can look like they held firm and also look like they didn't "cave" off of our opener.
So far, all I have heard is that we are using 1E2 as a backstop and that will eventually force their hand. Everyday that goes by, is another opportunity that AM can add a flight. Doing nothing may not be the best strategy..
There are a lot of tools in the tool box that can be used in negotations when one side seems uninterested in moving off a position. Why are we not using them? I am beginning to wonder if some on the MEC do not want to be held accountable. It may be easier (and they have convinced some of the masses) just to keep avoiding a deal and making it sound like the only result would be to accept the company's position. By doing that, they can look like they held firm and also look like they didn't "cave" off of our opener.
06-01-2018 | 07:18 AM
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How about an “Our Future, Our Fight” PR campaign. Except, instead of showing the explosion of new ME3 routes and aircraft orders, we show Aeromexico’s. Every unbalanced route added to AM cost xxxx american jobs at Air Lines. These jobs (i.e. operating costs) are the exact reason they go to AM in the first place.
06-01-2018 | 08:17 AM
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I think we need to be educating the other work groups as well. Inflight. Tech ops etc. It's their jobs on the line too. They need to be aware and we need to garner their support.
Recently DAL held a rally touting what a great success the ME3 "victory" was for saving jobs. I believe this is a diversion tactic to downplay Delta jobs moving south of the border.
My opinion: we missed a fantastic opportunity for an informational picket at that event that highlights the scope issue for Delta frontline employees. Highly visible actions such as this would shine some light on the issue and highlight the company's intransigence.
Might be a good time for the government affairs folks to engage the current administration also. I think given the current climate, we'd find an ally in the White House once they are made aware of the issue. The threat to "American Jobs" due to joint venture outsourcing exceeds any threat the ME3 posed by an order of magnitude.
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Recently DAL held a rally touting what a great success the ME3 "victory" was for saving jobs. I believe this is a diversion tactic to downplay Delta jobs moving south of the border.
My opinion: we missed a fantastic opportunity for an informational picket at that event that highlights the scope issue for Delta frontline employees. Highly visible actions such as this would shine some light on the issue and highlight the company's intransigence.
Might be a good time for the government affairs folks to engage the current administration also. I think given the current climate, we'd find an ally in the White House once they are made aware of the issue. The threat to "American Jobs" due to joint venture outsourcing exceeds any threat the ME3 posed by an order of magnitude.
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06-01-2018 | 12:06 PM
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The DL config for the CS100 will have 110 seats. This is the same seat count as the 717, which has a 12/20/78 split for F/W/Y, but I don't believe the class distribution has been publicized for the CS100. It could be exactly the same, or they could elect to make it a little more W-heavy since it will generally be used on longer stage lengths than the 717. Sadly there's no other comparable configuration in use on the CS100 as the only other operator at this point is SWISS, who have outfitted with in a single class, so it's all guesswork for now.
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