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Old 07-05-2018, 07:11 AM
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Theory: Perhaps the reason there aren’t that many vacancies posted for Atlanta is that they could have had a situation where so many 88 A’s chose to AE to a new position that they would have had to backfill 88As or reinstate displaced A’s. Now they can just see what kinds of displacement bids are put in and shrink the number of displacements if it is undesirable for the company. They now get a snapshot of where everybody would go due to everyone having their VD and MD bids updated. It will also entice some pilots to go after a C series bid since not much else is available.
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Old 07-05-2018, 07:24 AM
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Theory: Perhaps the reason there aren’t that many vacancies posted for Atlanta is that they could have had a situation where so many 88 A’s chose to AE to a new position that they would have had to backfill 88As or reinstate displaced A’s. Now they can just see what kinds of displacement bids are put in and shrink the number of displacements if it is undesirable for the company. They now get a snapshot of where everybody would go due to everyone having their VD and MD bids updated. It will also entice some pilots to go after a C series bid since not much else is available.


I guess the question is since they post a surplus of 125 do they have to reduce the category by 125? Or can they just decide to reduce it by 40?


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Old 07-05-2018, 07:29 AM
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I guess the question is since they post a surplus of 125 do they have to reduce the category by 125? Or can they just decide to reduce it by 40?


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My understanding is that it can be reduced by whatever they desire.
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Old 07-05-2018, 07:44 AM
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Originally Posted by 4fans View Post
My understanding is that it can be reduced by whatever they desire.

Correct. They can award all or none of the AE's and VD's they posted. They will take a week to figure the bid out and will do what costs them less training events.
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Old 07-05-2018, 07:48 AM
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This is the problem with having more displacements. I doubt that those 9 guys/gals get a shot at reinstatement to the 350B with another 60 more senior guys/gals getting the boot from the DTW 777B. So even with 36 vacancies posted on the 350B I doubt seriously if those don't all get filled by displacements from multiple categories due to the waterfall effect of this bid.
It will be interesting to see how it all shakes out. 22.F.12 will get them back into the category before any AE is awarded in the category (if any/some/all of the nine previous MDs elect to return) and, with 36 published vacancies, I think at least a few will be reinstated.

50 DTW777Bs will be displaced in this bid. Not sure how many will stay in DTW and slide over to the 350 but the remaining 50 are pretty senior (all under 6000 seniority #). I would venture a bunch will slide to the 777 in ATL or LAX, several will MD to the 350 and several will move to left seat positions. During the April AE/MD, only 9 of 16 DTW777Bs went to the 350 and that was it (no contingent displacements came to the 350B).

Further, I would venture that percentage (9 out of 16) drops as the seniority grows based on the reputation of the 350 training program and the diminishing of the "Greenslip-Fest" that was going on.

Again...we will see by July 20th or so how MOAB "the deuce" shakes out.
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Old 07-05-2018, 09:07 AM
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Originally Posted by GogglesPisano View Post
They lost me at "Smaller, more frequent AE's."
No kidding.

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Old 07-05-2018, 09:09 AM
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Originally Posted by FL370esq View Post
Also, one SEA330B was displaced (by a DTW330B)....who then displaced an ATL 330B who displaced a NYC320A that became an ATL320B. Why not just overstaff by one in DTW or SEA to avoid that churn if they can?

And you recall correctly - the Company can modify the award (offer fewer...but not more vacancies/displacements than were posted, contingency vacancies excepted).
Well, that's a lot of churn but very little training. Delta cares about Ed's next big condo and what the shareholders think, not base to base churn among pilots. Now, if that example had generated 5 full training events perhaps they'd have just eaten the overage. Besides, Delta has proven happy to violate the contract when it suits their needs.
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Old 07-05-2018, 10:18 AM
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Originally Posted by 4fans View Post
Theory: Perhaps the reason there aren’t that many vacancies posted for Atlanta is that they could have had a situation where so many 88 A’s chose to AE to a new position that they would have had to backfill 88As or reinstate displaced A’s. Now they can just see what kinds of displacement bids are put in and shrink the number of displacements if it is undesirable for the company. They now get a snapshot of where everybody would go due to everyone having their VD and MD bids updated. It will also entice some pilots to go after a C series bid since not much else is available.
The size of the Atlanta base was artificially inflated when the MD88 was banned from NYC. With the newer aircraft they don’t need to limit basing.
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Old 07-05-2018, 10:55 AM
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Well, that's a lot of churn but very little training.
Yup....but that also kinda goes to my point. If the company can carry arbitrary post-bid overages, why even bother displacing one person and simply carry an overage of 1 in that category rather than continuing with 4th and 5th order effects that eventually do generate training events?
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Old 07-05-2018, 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by GogglesPisano View Post
They lost me at "Smaller, more frequent AE's."
My wife also promised more frequent....know your source I guess is the lesson.
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