Pay Banding in C2019...
10-17-2018, 04:09 PM
#151
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Originally Posted by FL370esq
Bigger still pays more and biggest still pays the most. We will just have fewer "biggest" than the other two majors based upon the trajectory of our international flying. However, our new lower costs = more profit sharing so it's a 1:1 wash. 😂
And that's the kind of math our old marketing team used when they sold tickets at a loss but made up the difference on volume 🤔
And that's the kind of math our old marketing team used when they sold tickets at a loss but made up the difference on volume 🤔
10-17-2018, 04:10 PM
#152
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Originally Posted by JamesBond
mmmmmmmm not really. It is paying a pilot for his time on the property. Haven't you ever wondered why our pay scales only go to 12 years? I certainly have never heard a good reason. "It's always been that way".
Let me ask you this; What is going to happen when the 777s go away? Have you seen ANY indication whatsoever that DAL is interested in any more? Ever? Now we have the rumor of the 10 deferred 350s being turned into 330s. How does that figure into the bigger pays more scheme?
Let me ask you this; What is going to happen when the 777s go away? Have you seen ANY indication whatsoever that DAL is interested in any more? Ever? Now we have the rumor of the 10 deferred 350s being turned into 330s. How does that figure into the bigger pays more scheme?
For the rest, rumors are rumors and that's it. If we went to a fully A330 International fleet we'd negotiate accordingly. We haven't converted the deferred 350s to 330s and we still have 777s with no actual evidence supporting parking them.
10-17-2018, 04:13 PM
#153
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Originally Posted by JamesBond
Annnnnnnd, if they ever get the same CA/FO ratio that we have on augmented crews, they will blow us out of the water. Just imagine our fleet of the future as is in the works right now: 15 350s. A bunch of 330s; (but not as many as UAL has 777s.), about 150 A321s and on down in size.
10-17-2018, 04:44 PM
#154
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Originally Posted by Baradium
The 12 year scale is an easy one. You make more over a career with a 12 year scale than a longer one even if it were to top out slightly higher (wouldn't be much). With a higher top out timeframe lower years just end up making less so it's better to get to top pay sooner and have the money than try to send it to the back end of a career. I like the 12 year scale.
For the rest, rumors are rumors and that's it. If we went to a fully A330 International fleet we'd negotiate accordingly. We haven't converted the deferred 350s to 330s and we still have 777s with no actual evidence supporting parking them.
For the rest, rumors are rumors and that's it. If we went to a fully A330 International fleet we'd negotiate accordingly. We haven't converted the deferred 350s to 330s and we still have 777s with no actual evidence supporting parking them.
And you think DAL management will pay comparable rates for DAL 330s vs UAL 777s? Seriously? Because that is what you are saying will happen if MY prediction comes true.
10-17-2018, 04:46 PM
#155
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Originally Posted by Baradium
Good thing they already gave up that concession then, huh? They sold those top paying jobs for FO positions already so that's a mighty big if.
10-17-2018, 05:10 PM
#156
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Originally Posted by JamesBond
And you think DAL management will pay comparable rates for DAL 330s vs UAL 777s? Seriously? Because that is what you are saying will happen if MY prediction comes true.
10-17-2018, 06:20 PM
#157
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Originally Posted by JamesBond
The 777s WILL die eventually. True that it is not real soon, but eventually they will.
And you think DAL management will pay comparable rates for DAL 330s vs UAL 777s? Seriously? Because that is what you are saying will happen if MY prediction comes true.
And you think DAL management will pay comparable rates for DAL 330s vs UAL 777s? Seriously? Because that is what you are saying will happen if MY prediction comes true.
There is a lot more to compensation than the published hourly rate. You talk as if we don't make as much as our peers in the industry.
10-17-2018, 06:22 PM
#158
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Originally Posted by TED74
With our superior, pensionable profit sharing over the last few years, have our 330 captains not made a higher effective rate than UAL's 777 captains?
10-18-2018, 01:02 AM
#160
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
There will be cases where smaller aircraft will replace larger. The overall trend however is upsizing. It’s managements plan and is a virtual certainty industry wide given the basically fixed infrastructure with runways and gates. The company is making a substantial investment in the 777’s as we speak. They are going to be around for a long time. When they leave the fleet there will be a replacement. What is happening daily is MD88’s are being replaced with A321’s and 737-900’s. Some of the A330 Neo’s will replace 767’s. Our 737-800’s will almost certainly be replaced with A321neo’s.
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