Pay Banding in C2019...
10-18-2018, 03:22 AM
#161
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Originally Posted by Gooner
None of those reasons is pilot cost. We are egotistical in assuming that a large portion of the cost to every flight is the pilot, it’s a key factor but not the determining factor. Let’s get pilot compensation at a set level that rewards us all and let management figure out what planes to fly on what routes. Let’s start with 2-3 levels of pay banding and go from there.
10-18-2018, 03:34 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
You do understand that if pilots had opted to separate themselves from the revenue capabilities of the aircraft we fly pay rates would be far less today.
You take quite a leap to draw this hypothetical cause-and-effect. I don't "understand" this concept you float as fact. The only thing that is certain is that pay rates would have been established at whatever level the pilot group ratified. Breaking from one convention/metric for another doesn't drive any specific result.
10-18-2018, 03:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Hank Kingsley
The music will stop. History repeats itself. Profit sharing won't mean squat. Get your pay rates and PS is extra.
History does repeat itself and to get a glimpse of the future look no further than the consolidation of the Telecoms. Barring a Black Swan event AT&T, Verizon, T-mobile etc are not going to lose money again. Our Profit Sharing program is so clutch I'd say it's one of the greatest accomplishments in labor history.
10-18-2018, 04:21 AM
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Originally Posted by TED74
Like UPS? Or SWA?
You take quite a leap to draw this hypothetical cause-and-effect. I don't "understand" this concept you float as fact. The only thing that is certain is that pay rates would have been established at whatever level the pilot group ratified. Breaking from one convention/metric for another doesn't drive any specific result.
You take quite a leap to draw this hypothetical cause-and-effect. I don't "understand" this concept you float as fact. The only thing that is certain is that pay rates would have been established at whatever level the pilot group ratified. Breaking from one convention/metric for another doesn't drive any specific result.
10-18-2018, 04:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Trip7
Barring a major black swan/end of world event, the Legacies will never lose money again due to consolidation. The Legacies are now powerful oligopolies.
History does repeat itself and to get a glimpse of the future look no further than the consolidation of the Telecoms. Barring a Black Swan event AT&T, Verizon, T-mobile etc are not going to lose money again. Our Profit Sharing program is so clutch I'd say it's one of the greatest accomplishments in labor history.
History does repeat itself and to get a glimpse of the future look no further than the consolidation of the Telecoms. Barring a Black Swan event AT&T, Verizon, T-mobile etc are not going to lose money again. Our Profit Sharing program is so clutch I'd say it's one of the greatest accomplishments in labor history.
10-18-2018, 04:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Trip7
Barring a major black swan/end of world event, the Legacies will never lose money again due to consolidation. The Legacies are now powerful oligopolies.
History does repeat itself and to get a glimpse of the future look no further than the consolidation of the Telecoms. Barring a Black Swan event AT&T, Verizon, T-mobile etc are not going to lose money again. Our Profit Sharing program is so clutch I'd say it's one of the greatest accomplishments in labor history.
History does repeat itself and to get a glimpse of the future look no further than the consolidation of the Telecoms. Barring a Black Swan event AT&T, Verizon, T-mobile etc are not going to lose money again. Our Profit Sharing program is so clutch I'd say it's one of the greatest accomplishments in labor history.
10-18-2018, 04:27 AM
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For informational purposes only, a chart from TA2016:
Since TA2016 was ratified into Contract 2016, the company has announced forty growth airframes - three 763BCF, nine new 763Fs, and twenty-eight 747-8.
Over the life of our current contract, that average max payload is going to move higher.
Since TA2016 was ratified into Contract 2016, the company has announced forty growth airframes - three 763BCF, nine new 763Fs, and twenty-eight 747-8.
Over the life of our current contract, that average max payload is going to move higher.
10-18-2018, 05:33 AM
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Originally Posted by TED74
With our superior, pensionable profit sharing over the last few years, have our 330 captains not made a higher effective rate than UAL's 777 captains?
10-18-2018, 05:39 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
You do understand that if pilots had opted to separate themselves from the revenue capabilities of the aircraft we fly pay rates would be far less today.
10-18-2018, 05:44 AM
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Originally Posted by BoilerUP
For informational purposes only, a chart from TA2016:
Since TA2016 was ratified into Contract 2016, the company has announced forty growth airframes - three 763BCF, nine new 763Fs, and twenty-eight 747-8.
Over the life of our current contract, that average max payload is going to move higher.
Since TA2016 was ratified into Contract 2016, the company has announced forty growth airframes - three 763BCF, nine new 763Fs, and twenty-eight 747-8.
Over the life of our current contract, that average max payload is going to move higher.
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