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Old 01-07-2019, 12:43 PM
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With the shape Alitalia is it I imagine they have come to ATL with their hat in their hand so if there is interest in this deal on Delta's side we could end up with a very good deal. Just my 2 cents
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Lest we forget the language that was in C2015 TA1 that gave the MEC the authority to allow other airlines to operate the Delta widget.

...or is my memory failing me and I’m way off here?


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This! 1.E.9. This has been my rant for years. It made it into the contract for a reason. I don't think it was an ALPA ask. In TA 1 it was MEC chairman's approval only and we all remember who that was at the time, right? Now it's the MEC as a body. That's at least 10 people they'd have to pay off. Oops, I mean incent.
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There is nothing available in Tuscany.
Excellent!
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There is nothing available in Tuscany.
Classic! 🙂
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Old 01-07-2019, 02:52 PM
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This! 1.E.9. This has been my rant for years. It made it into the contract for a reason. I don't think it was an ALPA ask. In TA 1 it was MEC chairman's approval only and we all remember who that was at the time, right? Now it's the MEC as a body. That's at least 10 people they'd have to pay off. Oops, I mean incent.
1 E. 9. exists because 1 E. 1. exists. We had no protection. The company (and it's affiliates) cannot fly a Delta jet unless it is flown by a Delta pilot.

Some ALPA politicians made a lot of hay by confusing you.
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With the shape Alitalia is it I imagine they have come to ATL with their hat in their hand so if there is interest in this deal on Delta's side we could end up with a very good deal. Just my 2 cents
We (DAL, inc) could end up with a fantastic deal. We (the seniority list pilots) could end up with a much less awesome deal than that deal.
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Old 01-07-2019, 04:54 PM
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1 E. 9. exists because 1 E. 1. exists. We had no protection. The company (and it's affiliates) cannot fly a Delta jet unless it is flown by a Delta pilot.

Some ALPA politicians made a lot of hay by confusing you.
Still no one on the NC admits to it being an ALPA ask. 1.E.1. is an exemption for permitted operation further defined, not a universal authority. 1.E.9. is managements pathway that previously did not exist.
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The real threat here is if Alitalia goes away.
Air Italy (Meridiana Airlines rebranded about 9 months ago) with 16 old 737/767/A330 jets was recently 49% bought by Qatar. Orders for a fleet of 55 new jets with service to the US and codeshare to the Mideast. Air Italy would be Italy’s default flag carrier (probably helped by Oneworld) if Alitalia isn’t saved... and a real big deal (if it isn’t already).

Emirates is already doing 5th freedom MXP-JFK. Qatar pinky-promised not to, but Air Italy without competition and Mideast state-sponsored limitless losses pose a real challenge to Skyteam and Delta EU-US. I hope Alitalia makes it. I bet AFKLM does too.
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Old 01-07-2019, 06:18 PM
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The real threat here is if Alitalia goes away.
Air Italy (Meridiana Airlines rebranded about 9 months ago) with 16 old 737/767/A330 jets was recently 49% bought by Qatar. Orders for a fleet of 55 new jets with service to the US and codeshare to the Mideast. Air Italy would be Italy’s default flag carrier (probably helped by Oneworld) if Alitalia isn’t saved... and a real big deal (if it isn’t already).

Emirates is already doing 5th freedom MXP-JFK. Qatar pinky-promised not to, but Air Italy without competition and Mideast state-sponsored limitless losses pose a real challenge to Skyteam and Delta EU-US. I hope Alitalia makes it. I bet AFKLM does too.
Hmm...thanks for the education man, a lot more to this I guess than meets the eye. I don’t think we need any gives in the scope area, but wow, we (Ma D) and us (Dalpa), better figure it out to a win I hope....or at least a draw.
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Old 01-07-2019, 08:22 PM
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Originally Posted by badflaps View Post
There is nothing available in Tuscany.
In all of Tuscany??? I wonder....

I can't get a sublet, a guest room, a cot....nothing????

Obviously you sir have not consulted with Mr. Ciccio...."Si, si.....dis one." 😁
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