Contract openers
04-03-2019, 03:51 PM
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Contract openers
So it seems like the union is going to publicize their opening position after sharing it with the company on the 5th. (There was a picture of a booklet that they posted on Facebook saying it was ready to be distributed). I've been through a few negotiations at different carriers and I can't ever recall the union putting out such specific details of their bargaining position. Is this normal or how it was done in the past? It seems like all the company needs to do is come peruse forums such as these after it's released to watch us bicker amongst ourselves over what is and isn't important to hone their negotiating strategy even more than it probably already is.
What are other people's thoughts on this?
What are other people's thoughts on this?
04-03-2019, 04:04 PM
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Originally Posted by tennisguru
So it seems like the union is going to publicize their opening position after sharing it with the company on the 5th. (There was a picture of a booklet that they posted on Facebook saying it was ready to be distributed). I've been through a few negotiations at different carriers and I can't ever recall the union putting out such specific details of their bargaining position. Is this normal or how it was done in the past? It seems like all the company needs to do is come peruse forums such as these after it's released to watch us bicker amongst ourselves over what is and isn't important to hone their negotiating strategy even more than it probably already is.
What are other people's thoughts on this?
What are other people's thoughts on this?
*increase pilot pay, duty and trip rigs, night, and international override.
*increase company retirement contributions into DC and/or other retirement vehicles.
04-03-2019, 04:15 PM
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Originally Posted by tennisguru
It seems like all the company needs to do is come peruse forums such as these after it's released to watch us bicker amongst ourselves over what is and isn't important to hone their negotiating strategy even more than it probably already is.
and I prefer to hear the union's weights of effort so I can provide (via my reps) relevant input to negotiators.
If the company spent (wasted) time here and in other forums, would they put more weight in Sailing's position or Jerry's? Is it surprising that 14,500 pilots ages 23 to 64 don't concur on what's best for their families and finances?
04-03-2019, 04:25 PM
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Originally Posted by TED74
... because a few dozen regular APC posters accurately represent the will of 14,500 pilots? I'm not worried a bit,
and I prefer to hear the union's weights of effort so I can provide (via my reps) relevant input to negotiators.
If the company spent (wasted) time here and in other forums, would they put more weight in Sailing's position or Jerry's? Is it surprising that 14,500 pilots ages 23 to 64 don't concur on what's best for their families and finances?
and I prefer to hear the union's weights of effort so I can provide (via my reps) relevant input to negotiators.
If the company spent (wasted) time here and in other forums, would they put more weight in Sailing's position or Jerry's? Is it surprising that 14,500 pilots ages 23 to 64 don't concur on what's best for their families and finances?
04-03-2019, 05:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Big E 757
In my experience, the booklet/publication will be very vague, with bullet points like
*increase pilot pay, duty and trip rigs, night, and international override.
*increase company retirement contributions into DC and/or other retirement vehicles.
*increase pilot pay, duty and trip rigs, night, and international override.
*increase company retirement contributions into DC and/or other retirement vehicles.
04-04-2019, 03:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Viking busdvr
I’d rather the union err on the side of transparency than not. Unlike previous administrations that said it would undermine pilot/union leverage to let us know what our openers were even after a new contract had been ratified ....
04-04-2019, 04:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Gspeed
I agree with you, but openers and closers can/will look very different. Unfortunately some people will latch onto whatever they first see and every subsequent revision will be a loser in their eyes even if it's generally not in the grand scheme of things.
04-04-2019, 05:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Gspeed
I agree with you, but openers and closers can/will look very different. Unfortunately some people will latch onto whatever they first see and every subsequent revision will be a loser in their eyes even if it's generally not in the grand scheme of things.
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