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07-23-2019 | 11:44 AM
#101
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Someone on Facebook! There is your answer! We might be able to get to 11,000 pilots if we drop 200 aircraft from the fleet.
I am not sure that everyone comprehends that the big credit reduction is simply bringing credit back to 2012 levels and is like a 1.2% reduction. There is no more blood in the turnip!
I am not sure that everyone comprehends that the big credit reduction is simply bringing credit back to 2012 levels and is like a 1.2% reduction. There is no more blood in the turnip!
Nothing is gospel...ever. That said, I knew it was a major claim with nothing offered as proof. But, it’s Section 6 so every idea no matter how ridiculous is on the table.
I’m in what appears to be your camp on this...without a major fleet reduction that statement won’t come true no matter how much management wants it. I agree the numbers just don’t make any lick of sense.
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07-23-2019 | 11:47 AM
#102
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How do you eat an elephant?
I would look down the road, and apply the same gun that SWA put to the heads of the AirTran guys. At some point there will be a downturn in the economy... poor mouth will be cried... flying shifted to ensure survival.... done. It's a process.
Look at it another way. Do you think the airline industry is in it's final form forever and ever? What do you think is the next step? If it is global consolidation, which do you think will happen: Virgin (for example) gets our pay rates and we get their health bennies? Or will the company (whaever it is called) starts shifting costs to the most cost effective points?
It's mostly a thought exercise at this point, but I would wager that the industry is not in it's final form. Your opinion may differ.
I would look down the road, and apply the same gun that SWA put to the heads of the AirTran guys. At some point there will be a downturn in the economy... poor mouth will be cried... flying shifted to ensure survival.... done. It's a process.
Look at it another way. Do you think the airline industry is in it's final form forever and ever? What do you think is the next step? If it is global consolidation, which do you think will happen: Virgin (for example) gets our pay rates and we get their health bennies? Or will the company (whaever it is called) starts shifting costs to the most cost effective points?
It's mostly a thought exercise at this point, but I would wager that the industry is not in it's final form. Your opinion may differ.
The only constant in this business is change so of course I don’t believe Delta as we know it today will be the same when I retire. That’s just life. But, you seem convinced a global merger of some kind will happen so I was asking if anything in the PWA expressly allows or forbids it. It’s not a trick question as I truly don’t know.
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07-23-2019 | 11:50 AM
#103
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07-23-2019 | 11:58 AM
#104
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The only constant in this business is change so of course I don’t believe Delta as we know it today will be the same when I retire. That’s just life. But, you seem convinced a global merger of some kind will happen so I was asking if anything in the PWA expressly allows or forbids it. It’s not a trick question as I truly don’t know.
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07-23-2019 | 12:06 PM
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How many categories do we have compared to them? Even a couple more will force multiply the retirement wave big time, and that's assuming marketing doesn't drive sport category openings and closings.
07-23-2019 | 12:09 PM
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This brings up an interesting comparison. Marketwatch has an interesting statistic: revenue per employee. DAL makes almost $500k/employee. AAL is about $345k/employee. UAL is about $448 or so... and everybody else is down in the low $300Ks. Then if you look ar market caps/passengers emplaned... all those things.. it always makes me wonder how the 'largest airline' moniker is attached. From what I can tell it is purely on total revenue. But to get back to the discussion, I wonder if DAL were to get down to that same ratio what our numbers would look like. Seems to me we are already light years more efficient than anybody else, so why downsize?
07-23-2019 | 04:50 PM
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ATL is a $h!t show today. Only 6 hrs and counting delayed on my ATL-MSP flight.
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07-23-2019 | 06:31 PM
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Someone on FB is claiming RG wants us down to 11000 or fewer pilots. How is that even remotely possible...if it’s true at all?
For a corporation that craves a premium brand image, I’m blown away if they truly feel we can maintain our momentum with 3500 or more fewer pilots. Not even the sodomizer can be that good...
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For a corporation that craves a premium brand image, I’m blown away if they truly feel we can maintain our momentum with 3500 or more fewer pilots. Not even the sodomizer can be that good...
GP
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