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Old 09-08-2019, 08:07 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun View Post
The company eliminated 5 day trips. We asked for them back.
Some (mostly commuters) like certain 5 day trips. No one likes crappy "optimized" 5 day trips that report super early and release late unless a redeye. That's becoming the 5 day norm now. Why? The relentless clinical attempt to reduce credit by 1 minute by any means necessary. Its been a huge QOL degradation all so someone can hit a bonus target metric.
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Some (mostly commuters) like certain 5 day trips. No one likes crappy "optimized" 5 day trips that report super early and release late unless a redeye. That's becoming the 5 day norm now. Why? The relentless clinical attempt to reduce credit by 1 minute by any means necessary. Its been a huge QOL degradation all so someone can hit a bonus target metric.
5 day trip with early show and late release is becoming the norm in which fleet and base?

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Old 09-08-2019, 08:49 AM
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5 day trip with early show and late release is becoming the norm in which fleet and base?

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NYC 320B for Oct. 30+% 5 day trips and less than 10 commutable.
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Originally Posted by fishforfun View Post
NYC 320B for Oct. 30+% 5 day trips and less than 10 commutable.
My goodness that's horrific

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Originally Posted by fishforfun View Post
NYC 320B for Oct. 30+% 5 day trips and less than 10 commutable.
I agree, that's miserable. I actually like 5 day trips but that's because basically all of them end very early on the last day, many times with a DH. Do three of those in a month and you've only got to commute 3 times for a decent 78 hours of credit.
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5 day trip with early show and late release is becoming the norm in which fleet and base?

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Every narrowbody domestic trips of any length are trending heavily like that. CS actually bragged a while ago about how NYC717 got as high as 25% commutability on one end.

Even in bases with low commuters no one wants to constantly report at 6AM and release at 11PM but that's how the "optimizer" (bonus generator) drives 1 minute of credit out as its prime directive.
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Originally Posted by snowdawg View Post
It would be nice to see a major reduction in 4+ day trips. Tired of these trips. It's a major QOL reduction when you live in base.

Also, the union sent out a Rotation Construction Committee (RCC) Survey on August 30. Don't forget to fill it out.
I agree...this is unacceptable and another quality of life hit. 5 days blow....especially when they contain red eyes followed by 11 hrs of rest followed by early morning sign ins the last 2 days. Just more proof of how FAR 117 was another mgmt grab that Alpo turned their head and looked the other way. Mitigate fatigue....yeah right. What a joke.
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Originally Posted by gloopy View Post
Every narrowbody domestic trips of any length are trending heavily like that. CS actually bragged a while ago about how NYC717 got as high as 25% commutability on one end.

Even in bases with low commuters no one wants to constantly report at 6AM and release at 11PM but that's how the "optimizer" (bonus generator) drives 1 minute of credit out as its prime directive.
Seems like this crap started when our new vp and gump took the helm. No worries though....send out an apology letter for the incompetence and all is forgiven.
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5 days for OCT MSP 7ER, and they are almost all combined dom and int. 1 + 2 days are 6% of FO hours combined. 64% of captain hours is 5 days+ and 73% of FO hours is 5 days+

I thought this was a non-commuter base.


CA |# Trips| 15| 34| 46| 36| 98| 8| 14| 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| 251| average length 4.05

|% Trips| 6%| 14%| 18%| 14%| 39%| 3%| 6%| 0%| 0%| 0%| 0%| 0%| 0%| 0%|

|% Hours| 2%| 7%| 13%| 14%| 49%| 5%| 10%| 0%| 0%| 0%| 0%| 0%| 0%| 0%|



FO |# Trips| 15| 34| 49| 40| 100| 32| 26| 19| 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| 0| 315| average length 4.61

|% Trips| 5%| 11%| 16%| 13%| 32%| 10%| 8%| 6%| 0%| 0%| 0%| 0%| 0%| 0%|

|% Hours| 1%| 5%| 10%| 11%| 35%| 14%| 13%| 11%| 0%| 0%| 0%| 0%| 0%| 0%|


Good luck building a line out of anything but long trips, #noweekends4U

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SEA ER bid package for next month has trips that operate JFK-LAX then DHD LAX-OGG same day.
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