I don’t mind the S3A, if is for the pilot/FA going to/from work. Their spouses, kids and themselves should be below retirees/DAL active employee parents for any other non-revenue travel.

That’s just my point of view, and I’ve been saying it for long time.

On AA wholly-owned employees travel at the same priority as mainline employees. The order in a priority class is also determined by check in time so a new hire at Envoy can end up ahead of a 20 year mainline captain by checking in a few seconds earlier.

NW put RJ pilots (even non wholly owned) at the same priority as active employees by DOH. Comair and ASA travelled at S3 and had S2 passes for many years as well.

I'm more concerned with bringing the flying to our seniority list than worrying about what priority the pilots doing that flying travel at.

Does Delta have 100% ownership of compass, GoJet, Republic, and Skywest? If they do, yes. Your retirees did give allot for this profession. So do the Endeavor employees. You can see it in your profit sharing check among other things.

A simple solution to this problem is for DAL to bring all the regional flying back in house. No need to staple any regional to the bottom of the list. Just bring the flying back in house.

I'll counter S1A for endeavor commuting to work and from work, ahead of active DAL employees who are just traveling for leisure as well. Then yeah sure, the retirees can go ahead of Endeavor for leisure travel.

Guessing your not ok with Endeavor commuting to/from work going ahead of your S2/3 status?

As a matter of fact. I’ve also said before that Active employees should also get a higher priority commuting. Which would be ahead of 9E commuting ;)

S1A already exist and is for emergency situations.

It’s a Delta flight subcontracted out to a regional airline partner. I think Delta employees should be S2/S3 on ALL flights.

Flame on

Deltr Air Lines is a subsidiary of Deltr Air Lines INC. but you knew that.

It wasn’t that way for NWA. NW employee, was listed as 5 on any NW or NW Airlink. Pinnacle, Mesaba and Compass was 5W on mainline. They still went behind NW retirees and parents who was listed as 5P/5R

Your screen name perfectly matches your arguments.


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Boy, that’s a good idea. Why don’t you propose that to Ed?

Another gem! Now we know why Ed didn’t visit trump. He was in a meeting with Meow1215.

Wait till Ed wants to split your PS with them.:eek:

Every single 'regional pilot' going into indoc at Endeavor has more flight time than the starter of this thread did when he was hired at "DELTA MAINLINE".

The high horse you guys sit on is unrivaled. I will never drop an app at delta because I clearly don't feel enough superiority over everyone else around me. :rolleyes:

oh darn, clearly we're missing out :rolleyes:

Good. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

Mature argument for a 3rd grader.

Yeah.........just like we took a 45+ percent total pay cut, loss of pension etc to save this company so you could have a job to eventually come too. Sorry. Couldn't help myself. ;)

Denny

But why didn't you when you could? In your contract it used to be only DAL could fly DAL owned equipment. After the merger management had to go to your MEC and adjust it to allow farming out to the regional. You could have kept all your flying just like you didn't need to give up scope but you let your greed get the better of you and sold your so called ALPA brother's out.

Nice job Cof16, your Bengals will go 6 and 10.

I mean, to be fair, not a single person voted in a 45% pay cut thinking, "I'm doing this for CM so he one day will have a job." You did it so the company wouldn't go belly up and so you wouldn't have to start over at the bottom of the list somewhere.

There may very well have been no other list to go to.

That’s true but that’s not the point and you know it. You benefitted from the sacrifices of the pilots that were here and had to endure them.

Denny

Agreed on bringing the flying back in house. Well said. We hope you guys are here one day and eventually become the retirees we speak of. As for the wholly owned part, it doesn’t really hold much sway IMHO. For all intents and purposes we own most of Virgin Atlantic. Should they get benefits above our retirees? What about the folks at the Trainer refinery? Pretty sure we own that. Delta casts its net wide and we own a lot of things. I guess it’s above both of our paygrades though. Delta can unilaterally place emotional support peacocks at S2 unless we put it in the contract. Just my 2 cents.

Just curious, how many wholly owned domestic companies carries DAL customers and employees? You also had 2 opportunities to bring back or keep all your flying in house. First you gave up your scope and then you gave up the flying on the regional aircraft DAL owned after the NWA merger that you had to adjust your pilots contract for.

Have we gotten to the part where pilots suggest they should get higher nonrev priority than FAs and other employees yet?

Not yet but I can see the beginning ripples of it.

Maybe for the retirees.

This right here. Lest we forget. Since nobody has said it yet, I will, since I can't help myself either ;):D Commuting is a choice!:eek:

I thought retirement was supposed to be a life of leisure where there are no time constraints.
Not sure how many new hires can afford to go to Sydney, and if they could it would be really tough to fit it in on their max 4 days off stretch. The retired guys/gals can be stuck out and continue to enjoy another shrimp and frothy on the beach if their priority forces them to get thrown into that briar patch.

You know that there are regionals with more than 4days off in a row? And some NHs do crazy stuff while waiting for those sim trainings, some regionals have 1-2 months wait between indoc and sim.

You know, first job after CFi, living still in their parents house with a 20-30k new hire bonus and getting a paycheck every two weeks.

We can take as many jumpseaters as we have open seats in the back. LOL.

Open the FA Jumpseat to wholly-owned pilots. Implement Delta commuter clause policies at Endeavor. But don’t erode the benefits of working at (and retiring from) Delta.

They already have a commuter clause that mirrors ours.

And that's the reason they changed it because Endeavor employees were bumped by traveling retirees and they had to buy a ticket on the next flight for them bumping revenue. Unlike us, their policy is a no fault policy.

I wouldn’t call $20/hr to fly an RJ during the lost decade was a benefit. Everyone suffered during those times.

Great. You get bumped from your first flight? Call ATL and get your status bumped up to S3A or S2A or S1C... get the pilot/FA to work! Our commuter policy works pretty well.

Blanket S3A is an erosion of Delta employee (active and retired) benefits.

Easy solution here. Home Basing.

Easier solution is to stop all regional and outsource flying. All in-house and no non union flying.

I like that too.