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tunes 09-23-2019 03:55 PM


Originally Posted by Falcon20 (Post 2892110)
Where is this international expansion announcement?

I believe he’s referring to the BOS expansion announcement

Falcon20 09-23-2019 03:56 PM


Originally Posted by tunes (Post 2892113)
I believe he’s referring to the BOS expansion announcement

Ahhhhhhhh TYS

GuardPolice 09-23-2019 05:01 PM

September AE
 

Originally Posted by Falcon20 (Post 2892115)
Ahhhhhhhh TYS


No...it was BOS [emoji16]


GP

Abouttime2fish 09-23-2019 05:08 PM

Also curious about the jr M88B’s that didn’t get an AE. Have a buddy in that same situation. If anyone gets an answer let us all know!

buckleyboy 09-23-2019 05:35 PM

And aren’t we still within six bid periods of some 88As getting MD’d? Shouldn’t they have been reinstated before AEs, assuming they’re box was checked?

Full disclosure: I have no idea what I am talking about and will look no sooner than the drink in my hand becoming an empty glass in my hand.

Shakinthefat 09-23-2019 06:15 PM


Originally Posted by Han Solo (Post 2892016)
I also found that 800 seniority guy's bid fairly peculiar, and he'll be stuck until the bitter end whenever that might be. Heck, there's that guy in the 1200s that bid NYC 220B and now just swapped to SLC -- who knows why guys bid what they do? The results are there for us to see and if those guy didn't bid the 88 for a free move, then as you said it's STILL a lot of work -- but for no apparent reach around at the end.

800 seniority guy will be #2 in the seat. Recently (last 5-7yrs) the top 5 seniority MD88 Capts are making lots of cash. Lots of high time credit trips, lots of 2 day/2 leg trips, lots of GS’s. Next 2 yrs could be very lucrative for Sr 88 guys, especially as things wind down and GSWC environment shows its head.

PilotWombat 09-23-2019 07:32 PM


Originally Posted by gatorbuc99 (Post 2892089)
When they cancelled our MDs, they referenced 22.F.15. That section doesn’t specifically reference seat locks but I believe because our MDs cancelled our seat locks, that’s what controls? Then the fact that the MDs were cancelled doesn’t change that. CR mentioned it a few times during that process, that seat locks were indeed removed.

I was really wondering about this. A buddy of mine was MD'd in May and was trying to figure out if he could bid for an AE into a totally different category, or if reinstatement was his only option. Looking into 22G (or the whole contract, really), as far as I could tell, it never actually says that getting awarded an MD removes a seat lock, only that those awarded an AE or VD (or new hires) incur one.

Since it sounds like there are guys that were affected by this, I wonder how the company and the union will work this one. I could see both interpretations: From the company's view, a cancelled displacement or a reinstatement puts you right back where you were...with a seat lock. ALPA could just as well say that historically, an MD wipes out any pilot's seat lock and it's the companies fault they didn't plan correctly.

BCan 09-23-2019 08:05 PM


Originally Posted by PilotWombat (Post 2892283)
I was really wondering about this. A buddy of mine was MD'd in May and was trying to figure out if he could bid for an AE into a totally different category, or if reinstatement was his only option. Looking into 22G (or the whole contract, really), as far as I could tell, it never actually says that getting awarded an MD removes a seat lock, only that those awarded an AE or VD (or new hires) incur one.

Since it sounds like there are guys that were affected by this, I wonder how the company and the union will work this one. I could see both interpretations: From the company's view, a cancelled displacement or a reinstatement puts you right back where you were...with a seat lock. ALPA could just as well say that historically, an MD wipes out any pilot's seat lock and it's the companies fault they didn't plan correctly.

I don’t see how they cannot re-run this AE. Regardless if they do/do not go back on their word of “no seat locks”...many (if not all) 88FOs are beyond the first 12 months and could bid off to another base anyway. It’s almost like the computer “re-seatlocked” everyone who were brought back.

FL370esq 09-24-2019 12:02 AM


Originally Posted by Han Solo (Post 2892016)
I also found that 800 seniority guy's bid fairly peculiar, and he'll be stuck until the bitter end whenever that might be.

#841 was the #1 M88 Capt in NYC for quite a while and a commuter from New England. and one of the nicest people you could hope to fly with. Maybe he found the A320 too comfortable and boring and just wanted to finish out his DL career flying his long-time trusty machine? 😊

Han Solo 09-24-2019 04:25 AM


Originally Posted by FL370esq (Post 2892331)
#841 was the #1 M88 Capt in NYC for quite a while and a commuter from New England. and one of the nicest people you could hope to fly with. Maybe he found the A320 too comfortable and boring and just wanted to finish out his DL career flying his long-time trusty machine? 😊

More likely than anything I suggested or heard yet. Unless he really just wants a free move to PTC some day for that glorious retirement.


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