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saturn 09-27-2019 11:25 AM

https://ir.delta.com/events-and-pres...l/default.aspx

An investor call was conducted this morning to discuss LATAM JV. Highlights:

We receive the first 2 A350s at the end of 2020. No further timeline for the remaining 12 except sometime between 2021-2025. Ed made comments that suggested our current 15 firm was too small of a fleet. Sounds like we are still open in our search for WB renewal, to both Boeing/Airbus.

We will use debt for nearly all of the 1.9b purchase. On-top of that, 350m to ease LATAMs transition will be spread out over years.

Our current flying ratio between US-LATAM is 30%/70%. Will be interesting addition/ complication to our scope negotiations. Mentioned several times that the JV will help grow Aeromexico.

Trip7 09-27-2019 11:40 AM


Originally Posted by saturn (Post 2894398)
https://ir.delta.com/events-and-pres...l/default.aspx



An investor call was conducted this morning to discuss LATAM JV. Highlights:



We receive the first 2 A350s at the end of 2020. No further timeline for the remaining 12 except sometime between 2021-2025. Ed made comments that suggested our current 15 firm was too small of a fleet. Sounds like we are still open in our search for WB renewal, to both Boeing/Airbus.



We will use debt for nearly all of the 1.9b purchase. On-top of that, 350m to ease LATAMs transition will be spread out over years.



Our current flying ratio between US-LATAM is 30%/70%. Will be interesting addition/ complication to our scope negotiations. Mentioned several times that the JV will help grow Aeromexico.

Impressive research. Well done. Thanks for sharing

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FL370esq 09-27-2019 12:29 PM


Originally Posted by BigHitterLlama (Post 2894366)
Thanks for the correction. So change all my questions about -1000 to -900ULR...

The -900ULR only gains the "ULR" designation when the fwd cargo bin has been deactivated and when you significantly reduce seating capacity. Singapore's ULR has 161 seats versus our 306 seats which is how they do SIN-EWR. Overall, our B777-200LRs are way more capable.

BigHitterLlama 09-27-2019 12:42 PM


Originally Posted by FL370esq (Post 2894434)
The -900ULR only gains the "ULR" designation when the fwd cargo bin has been deactivated and when you significantly reduce seating capacity. Singapore's ULR has 161 seats versus our 306 seats which is how they do SIN-EWR. Overall, our B777-200LRs are way more capable.

Thanks.
Filler

DELTAFO 09-27-2019 01:06 PM

777LR fuel quantity: 47,890 gallons
A350 fuel quantity: 37,170 gallons

which equals a lot more range for the 777LR

Gone Flying 09-27-2019 01:27 PM


Originally Posted by DELTAFO (Post 2894459)
777LR fuel quantity: 47,890 gallons
A350 fuel quantity: 37,170 gallons

which equals a lot more range for the 777LR

according to wikipedia the ULR has a 44,000 gal fuel capacity. airbus press release matches this #

20Fathoms 09-27-2019 01:40 PM


Originally Posted by DELTAFO (Post 2894459)
777LR fuel quantity: 47,890 gallons
A350 fuel quantity: 37,170 gallons

which equals a lot more range for the 777LR

The LR really is a pretty unique bird and the addition of Mumbai flying has made it even more indispensable. I know they tried to put the A350 on Sydney but ended up not doing it. Like others have said, our ERs could easily be replaced by A350s but that would leave a fleet of only 10 aircraft. Has Delta ever had an orphan fleet that small?

crewdawg 09-27-2019 01:54 PM


Originally Posted by DELTAFO (Post 2894459)
777LR fuel quantity: 47,890 gallons
A350 fuel quantity: 37,170 gallons

which equals a lot more range for the 777LR

Don't fly either, so I can verify, but guys on the other forum quoted the following mid flight fuel burns numbers.

777 = 8,000 pph
350 = 6,000-6,500 pph

Bert Sampson 09-27-2019 01:59 PM


Originally Posted by 20Fathoms (Post 2894478)
The LR really is a pretty unique bird and the addition of Mumbai flying has made it even more indispensable. I know they tried to put the A350 on Sydney but ended up not doing it. Like others have said, our ERs could easily be replaced by A350s but that would leave a fleet of only 10 aircraft. Has Delta ever had an orphan fleet that small?

I think the general rumor is that the LRs might be replaced by 787s.

FogSkier 09-27-2019 02:08 PM


Originally Posted by crewdawg (Post 2894492)
Don't fly either, so I can verify, but guys on the other forum quoted the following mid flight fuel burns numbers.

777 = 8,000 pph
350 = 6,000-6,500 pph

If that is per side, it seems reasonable.


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