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11-21-2019, 04:26 PM

#1151

Dash8Pilot

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Originally Posted by The Localizer

Looks as if Dtw and nyc 320 should see new hires

LAX too. AE had 12 openings and this AE was net +1 (6 in, 5 out), so 11 newhire slots for LAX320B. Not really surprising with how bad the bid package has been so far in the category.

11-21-2019, 04:30 PM

#1152

DWC CAP10 USAF

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Living in ATL is a choice!!!

11-21-2019, 05:08 PM

#1153

Gunfighter

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Originally Posted by Trip7

Pretty amazing how junior LAX 320 and 737 Captain have become. When I got hired it was 8 years for to hold plug FO on the West Coast.

When you got hired LAX was a smaller base comprised mostly of locals. The expansion of LAX is changing that dynamic. The high cost of living and the requirement to cover multiple airports makes LAX comparable to NYC. Hotel and crash pad costs are a little lower than NYC, but the transportation between airports is worse.

When you look at the NB bid packs it becomes evident why pilots are avoiding the 320 and 737. Look at the redeye departure % report by base/AC. The gradual erosion of 7ER international trips created by the growth of the 330 makes that category less desirable. The 777 is the one exception with respect to commutable trips, but constant rumors of downsizing or closing LAX 777 keep some from bidding that category.

LAX is a good base for locals, but anything other than 777 is a headache for commuters.

11-21-2019, 05:16 PM

#1154

Planetrain

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Originally Posted by astrojet

That is true...if there had been no merger I could not hold ATL 320A ...BUT IF NWA ( which at one time owned 50% of CAL stock, and was FORCED by the DOT to sell that stock) had merged with CAL (DOH) ... I would TODAY be = 787A in IAH...which is a better place to live than Peach Tree City. I could not bid 320A previously because I was under an equipment lock...and the NWA crew bases sucked too= SNOW TOWN - MOTOWN- and NOTOWN only good ones were HNL and SEA which were 3 digit

If NWA merged with CAL, the bases would have added EWR, CLE, IAH, and Guam. With the other options being DTW, MEM, or MSP, I doubt you would hold IAH WB A as senior as that would have gone. IAH is only junior because DEN was a closed CAL base that became available for a bunch of senior CAL pilots through United.

Sorry you didn’t get 320, maybe the next MOAB.

11-21-2019, 07:50 PM

#1155

gliderguider

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Originally Posted by astrojet

BUT IF NWA ( which at one time owned 50% of CAL stock, and was FORCED by the DOT to sell that stock) had merged with CAL (DOH)

And then maybe if they then merged with NASA and displaced the astronauts out by date of hire you could’ve held the Space Shuttle before that fleet got parked!

11-21-2019, 07:52 PM

#1156

80ktsClamp

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Not withstanding the fact that mergers haven't gone DOH for nearly 30 years...

11-21-2019, 08:03 PM

#1157

hockeypilot44

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Originally Posted by Tailhookah

Wrong... 320/737 Capt in Atlanta is 2007 hire. 717A in Atlanta is 2014. In Detroit on this AE, 320A went to at least 2008 or 2010. 767ER Atlanta Captain is about 7000. That’s 99-2000 hire. You guys really need to fact check before you bloviate. Let’s be truthful here. Do your homework before you spew un true stuff bro.

I missed 320 A by 4000 numbers. That's the only stat that matters. So what if the most junior 320 A in ATL is only 100 numbers senior to me? That doesn't mean anything when bidding on AE's.

11-21-2019, 08:13 PM

#1158

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Originally Posted by gliderguider

And then maybe if they then merged with NASA and displaced the astronauts out by date of hire you could’ve held the Space Shuttle before that fleet got parked!

This is just funny.

11-21-2019, 08:25 PM

#1159

Bluto

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Quote:

Originally Posted by hockeypilot44

I missed 320 A by 4000 numbers. That's the only stat that matters. So what if the most junior 320 A in ATL is only 100 numbers senior to me? That doesn't mean anything when bidding on AE's.

So, what matters is that you can get what you want when and where you want it? The system seems fair to me. Reality not meeting your expectations is more of a personal problem than a systemic one.

11-21-2019, 08:29 PM

#1160

80ktsClamp

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Originally Posted by hockeypilot44

I missed 320 A by 4000 numbers. That's the only stat that matters. So what if the most junior 320 A in ATL is only 100 numbers senior to me? That doesn't mean anything when bidding on AE's.

Previous bid you missed it by 5000. Plug holding it on that bid was the same as 350A.

Apparently ATL320A is a wide body now??