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10-05-2019, 08:12 AM
#141
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Originally Posted by Buck Rogers
Some things I have learned over my career at Delta:
1. Work smarter, not harder.
2. When someone says seniority, it's doesn't just mean overall system seniority.
3. Don't chase the money by bidding to be very junior in higher paying equipment and expect to sit at home and not fly. Delta makes money when pilots are flying, more money when pilots are flying more.
4. Delta wants pilots flying 83 hours/month for regular lines (1000hrs/yr).....and reserves flying 50ish.
5. For every pilot flying his ole arse off, some are purposely doing it.
6. If you are a new hire, and have no system seniority or BES seniority, expect to fly ye ole arse off.
7. If you're new and you are not flying ye ale ares off, count yourself lucky and realize that that is not managements desire and will prolly change.
8. In over 22 years flying international as FO and Capt, I have never had to work too much, more than I wanted, or been unable to get rid of trip(s) to massage my schedule.
9. Delta will never have a problem filling classes with top notch pilots, nor will they have a problem pushing those pilots through the pipeline.
10. There will be occasional staffing shortages in some circumstances, this is not entirely due to mismanagement(though it certainly can exacerbate it) but they eventually work themselves out.
11. Look at the retirements for future years/decades....the huge retirement bump(2020-2025) is ameliorated....Delta purposely staggered the new hire ages to reach an average of 300-350 per year for every single year for the next 30 years. Delta can learn lessons. 30 years ago Delta hired a homogeneous group(90% military, 32 years old, 1000pilots /year for 4 years). Now it's roughly 50-50 mil/civ and all ages. Chicken little "sky is falling" will prolly not come to fruition but time will tell.
1. Work smarter, not harder.
2. When someone says seniority, it's doesn't just mean overall system seniority.
3. Don't chase the money by bidding to be very junior in higher paying equipment and expect to sit at home and not fly. Delta makes money when pilots are flying, more money when pilots are flying more.
4. Delta wants pilots flying 83 hours/month for regular lines (1000hrs/yr).....and reserves flying 50ish.
5. For every pilot flying his ole arse off, some are purposely doing it.
6. If you are a new hire, and have no system seniority or BES seniority, expect to fly ye ole arse off.
7. If you're new and you are not flying ye ale ares off, count yourself lucky and realize that that is not managements desire and will prolly change.
8. In over 22 years flying international as FO and Capt, I have never had to work too much, more than I wanted, or been unable to get rid of trip(s) to massage my schedule.
9. Delta will never have a problem filling classes with top notch pilots, nor will they have a problem pushing those pilots through the pipeline.
10. There will be occasional staffing shortages in some circumstances, this is not entirely due to mismanagement(though it certainly can exacerbate it) but they eventually work themselves out.
11. Look at the retirements for future years/decades....the huge retirement bump(2020-2025) is ameliorated....Delta purposely staggered the new hire ages to reach an average of 300-350 per year for every single year for the next 30 years. Delta can learn lessons. 30 years ago Delta hired a homogeneous group(90% military, 32 years old, 1000pilots /year for 4 years). Now it's roughly 50-50 mil/civ and all ages. Chicken little "sky is falling" will prolly not come to fruition but time will tell.
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10-05-2019, 08:25 AM
#142
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Wise?
Originally Posted by Trip7
Absolutely fantastic post. Hopefully this will be a sticky
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10-05-2019, 10:13 AM
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I guess as long as I'm at it, there should be an even dozen...so....to ammend my list.....and prolly the most universal truth....
12. No matter how great the pilots are that we hire, no matter how good things are(especially with a long term perspective).....there will always be a "Summer's Eve" or two that just aren't happy unless they can be unhappy.
12. No matter how great the pilots are that we hire, no matter how good things are(especially with a long term perspective).....there will always be a "Summer's Eve" or two that just aren't happy unless they can be unhappy.
10-05-2019, 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted by fishforfun
The IA assignments have been flying for the last 2-3 days on the 320 in NYC. They did this a year ago to the 73 in NYC also. To not have reserve coverage in Sept and Oct is unheard of for me.
10-05-2019, 04:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Buck Rogers
Some things I have learned over my career at Delta:
1. Work smarter, not harder.
2. When someone says seniority, it's doesn't just mean overall system seniority.
3. Don't chase the money by bidding to be very junior in higher paying equipment and expect to sit at home and not fly. Delta makes money when pilots are flying, more money when pilots are flying more.
4. Delta wants pilots flying 83 hours/month for regular lines (1000hrs/yr).....and reserves flying 50ish.
5. For every pilot flying his ole arse off, some are purposely doing it.
6. If you are a new hire, and have no system seniority or BES seniority, expect to fly ye ole arse off.
7. If you're new and you are not flying ye ale ares off, count yourself lucky and realize that that is not managements desire and will prolly change.
8. In over 22 years flying international as FO and Capt, I have never had to work too much, more than I wanted, or been unable to get rid of trip(s) to massage my schedule.
9. Delta will never have a problem filling classes with top notch pilots, nor will they have a problem pushing those pilots through the pipeline.
10. There will be occasional staffing shortages in some circumstances, this is not entirely due to mismanagement(though it certainly can exacerbate it) but they eventually work themselves out.
11. Look at the retirements for future years/decades....the huge retirement bump(2020-2025) is ameliorated....Delta purposely staggered the new hire ages to reach an average of 300-350 per year for every single year for the next 30 years. Delta can learn lessons. 30 years ago Delta hired a homogeneous group(90% military, 32 years old, 1000pilots /year for 4 years). Now it's roughly 50-50 mil/civ and all ages. Chicken little "sky is falling" will prolly not come to fruition but time will tell.
1. Work smarter, not harder.
2. When someone says seniority, it's doesn't just mean overall system seniority.
3. Don't chase the money by bidding to be very junior in higher paying equipment and expect to sit at home and not fly. Delta makes money when pilots are flying, more money when pilots are flying more.
4. Delta wants pilots flying 83 hours/month for regular lines (1000hrs/yr).....and reserves flying 50ish.
5. For every pilot flying his ole arse off, some are purposely doing it.
6. If you are a new hire, and have no system seniority or BES seniority, expect to fly ye ole arse off.
7. If you're new and you are not flying ye ale ares off, count yourself lucky and realize that that is not managements desire and will prolly change.
8. In over 22 years flying international as FO and Capt, I have never had to work too much, more than I wanted, or been unable to get rid of trip(s) to massage my schedule.
9. Delta will never have a problem filling classes with top notch pilots, nor will they have a problem pushing those pilots through the pipeline.
10. There will be occasional staffing shortages in some circumstances, this is not entirely due to mismanagement(though it certainly can exacerbate it) but they eventually work themselves out.
11. Look at the retirements for future years/decades....the huge retirement bump(2020-2025) is ameliorated....Delta purposely staggered the new hire ages to reach an average of 300-350 per year for every single year for the next 30 years. Delta can learn lessons. 30 years ago Delta hired a homogeneous group(90% military, 32 years old, 1000pilots /year for 4 years). Now it's roughly 50-50 mil/civ and all ages. Chicken little "sky is falling" will prolly not come to fruition but time will tell.
Good post. One thing to add is that fortunately the Pilot group was wise enough to reject TA-1 despite DALPAs sales job last time around.
The pulling of OE trips would have been horrendous and they keep getting more important as retirements increase. With over 500 folks a year retiring and growth the churn will be enormous resulting in lots and lots of OE in all fleets.
Despite what many say I think the OE trip drops help most of the Pilot group A and B alike. Maybe not the premium A Pilots but hey, they are already on top.
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