Does AFA Vote Hurts DALPA Negotiations?
11-07-2019, 10:49 PM
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Originally Posted by FMGEC
Nope. I hold a MBA, run a successful small business and fly airplanes. I accidentally typo’d an extra “s” in to the title, and due to an inability within the forum to edit the title after submission I was unable to correct the typo. On a glorified ***** board.
I was significantly more careful during my thesis.
But I am glad you can contribute to the discussion. Your input was highly beneficial in the assessment. Don’t know where we would all be without you. Thank you
I was significantly more careful during my thesis.
But I am glad you can contribute to the discussion. Your input was highly beneficial in the assessment. Don’t know where we would all be without you. Thank you
All in all, not bad. I saw the title and thought it was just a simple mistake too. I can’t believe somebody went through all the effort to point that out.
11-08-2019, 02:57 AM
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Anyway, in conclusion, the FAs have to decide if they want to grow up and get a union or just hope it all works out for the best.
The NMB will be in the process soon and negotiations can't slow down to make an example to the FAs. The NMB isn't stupid.
The NMB will be in the process soon and negotiations can't slow down to make an example to the FAs. The NMB isn't stupid.
11-08-2019, 04:40 AM
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[QUOTE=captainchipotle;2920136]You hold “an” MBA. You’ve got a solid run-on sentence in there, and remember it’s subject and a predicate. (“I” don’t know where we would be without you).
Do a quick Google of ‘implied subject’ ref. sentence structure.
Do a quick Google of ‘implied subject’ ref. sentence structure.
11-08-2019, 05:52 AM
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Why would it hurt negotiations?
ALPA at Delta has a very long history of negotiating contracts successfully and on-time. IF anything, delaying things because of a new AFA drive would **** pilots off IMO and have more pilots push FAs to sign a union card.
As far as management taking away profit sharing from the FAs for unionizing...not gonna happen. Do you really want to upset the group that spends the most amount of time with passengers? Usually things remain the same during first contract negotiations. Some companies have made minor changes but it always turns into a huge fight. We know how much Delta cares about it's image and what the public thinks. Just look at how quickly they backpedaled and apologized when the anti-union flyer telling people to buy video games instead of paying union dues was all over social media.
If this was Allegiant or some other company that really doesn't care at all...possibly, but I don't think Delta is stupid enough to do that.
Also, as others have said when ALPA negotiates a contract at Delta there is a certain aspect that goes into it as far as management going "well what are we going to have to give flight attendants to keep them happy?". ALPA negotiates for flight attendants up to a certain extent as well.
The reality is that flight attendants mostly want a union contract for black and white work rules, accountability, and not having to deal with constant unilateral changes. The money factor is always there but I can guarantee you that's not the primary factor that's pushing FAs to support AFA.
It would be really nice if unlike in previous drives the Delta pilot group actually got behind this and encouraged flight attendants to support AFA...which is ALPAs sister union. In my opinion saying "oh well it's their choice" is a bit of a cop out. You're in a union and have a collective bargaining agreement because you know it improves your quality of life. As a union member you should want that for the people you work with every single day.
ALPA at Delta has a very long history of negotiating contracts successfully and on-time. IF anything, delaying things because of a new AFA drive would **** pilots off IMO and have more pilots push FAs to sign a union card.
As far as management taking away profit sharing from the FAs for unionizing...not gonna happen. Do you really want to upset the group that spends the most amount of time with passengers? Usually things remain the same during first contract negotiations. Some companies have made minor changes but it always turns into a huge fight. We know how much Delta cares about it's image and what the public thinks. Just look at how quickly they backpedaled and apologized when the anti-union flyer telling people to buy video games instead of paying union dues was all over social media.
If this was Allegiant or some other company that really doesn't care at all...possibly, but I don't think Delta is stupid enough to do that.
Also, as others have said when ALPA negotiates a contract at Delta there is a certain aspect that goes into it as far as management going "well what are we going to have to give flight attendants to keep them happy?". ALPA negotiates for flight attendants up to a certain extent as well.
The reality is that flight attendants mostly want a union contract for black and white work rules, accountability, and not having to deal with constant unilateral changes. The money factor is always there but I can guarantee you that's not the primary factor that's pushing FAs to support AFA.
It would be really nice if unlike in previous drives the Delta pilot group actually got behind this and encouraged flight attendants to support AFA...which is ALPAs sister union. In my opinion saying "oh well it's their choice" is a bit of a cop out. You're in a union and have a collective bargaining agreement because you know it improves your quality of life. As a union member you should want that for the people you work with every single day.
11-08-2019, 06:20 AM
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Originally Posted by notEnuf
The threat every few years has garnered them more than an actual agreement would. Their fight, their decision. I don’t see how this affects ALPA at all.
On a national level, both ALPA and AFA work together on virtually every legislative issue. You don't think having a stronger voice in DC would help at all? From the FAA reauthorization bill to the ME3 issue.
As far as on an airline specific impact you don't think it would be beneficial for DALPA to have a Pro Stan committee for flight attendants they can coordinate and work with instead of dealing with management on petty issues? At other airlines flight attendant hotel contract language is sometimes better than pilots...you don't think that positively impacts pilots? At some airlines (think Southwest) you have a flight attendant contract with better work rules than pilots and SWAPA even used that a few times to improve their own work rules. Who would have even thought of pilots piggybacking on flight attendants huh? Maybe if you looked at this in its entirety you'd see just how beneficial it would be for Delta pilots if flight attendants also joined a union. I'd venture to say it would be beneficial for Delta if flight attendants had a union. There needs to be a little more oversight of things on Virginia Avenue and a union can bring a small dose of that.
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