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Chakerik 11-30-2019 07:46 AM


Originally Posted by RockyBoy (Post 2931630)
Hearing some rumblings of 320NEO getting pushed even further and this will result in keeping some ER’s and 88’s longer than planned.

You are correct that they will use a 365 day bid when they displace. Allows them to spread the displacements out and keep a displaced guy from one bid getting displaced by another pilot on the next bid.

What's the current length of time for the neo delay? 6 months behind? A year?

WakeWash 11-30-2019 08:30 AM


Originally Posted by Chakerik (Post 2931768)
What's the current length of time for the neo delay? 6 months behind? A year?

And what exactly is the delay?? I keep hearing everything from engines to carpet... what’s the updated date of delivery for the first one?

Big E 757 11-30-2019 08:44 AM


Originally Posted by WakeWash (Post 2931794)
And what exactly is the delay?? I keep hearing everything from engines to carpet... what’s the updated date of delivery for the first one?

The last announced delay was attributed to the cabin furnishings. I don’t know specifically what that means, but it’s not the engines, according to what I’ve heard.

FL370esq 11-30-2019 08:48 AM


Originally Posted by Big E 757 (Post 2931795)
The last announced delay was attributed to the cabin furnishings. I don’t know specifically what that means, but it’s not the engines, according to what I’ve heard.

Probably only quality cabin furnishings available right now. We have to wait for a new shipment of the uber cheap stuff to arrive before we can start outfitting ours. 😁

sailingfun 11-30-2019 09:00 AM


Originally Posted by WakeWash (Post 2931794)
And what exactly is the delay?? I keep hearing everything from engines to carpet... what’s the updated date of delivery for the first one?

From the airbus CEO however I have no idea what it means.

Airbus CEO Guillaume Faury said “ “We are focused on the A320neo ramp-up and improving the industrial flow while managing the higher level of complexity on the A321 ACF in particular. Our nine-month delivery numbers and the updated delivery outlook for the year reflect the underlying actions to secure a more efficient delivery flow in the next years as we progress to rate 63 per month for the A320 Family in 2021.”

Another statement from a airline CEO,
Disappointed, as you've heard me say previously, with the performance of Airbus,” Walsh told investors during Q2 2019 earnings call on August 2, 2019. “Very poor delivery from Hamburg on the A321. It's not just for us, as you know. I'm sure by now you've heard every airline that is excited about taking the 321LR expect - express huge disappointment about the delays that they're encountering.”

“We need Airbus to improve their performance, and they need to get working on that very quickly because, quite honestly, the delays that we're seeing are just completely unacceptable, and it is impacting on the growth plans that we have.

JungleBus 11-30-2019 09:09 AM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 2931802)
Disappointed, as you've heard me say previously, with the performance of Airbus,” Walsh told investors during Q2 2019 earnings call on August 2, 2019. “Very poor delivery from Hamburg on the A321. It's not just for us, as you know. I'm sure by now you've heard every airline that is excited about taking the 321LR expect - express huge disappointment about the delays that they're encountering.”

“We need Airbus to improve their performance, and they need to get working on that very quickly because, quite honestly, the delays that we're seeing are just completely unacceptable, and it is impacting on the growth plans that we have.

"Watch out Airbus, if this gets much worse, we're totally going to order that 737MAX that's definitely ready and rearing to go!'

Big E 757 11-30-2019 02:37 PM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 2931437)
The strange thing is I have been the one to post that both the Nov and planned Jan bid will not be what some are posting. It’s unusual on here for me to be the pessimist.
The thing some however can’t seem to grasp was the big bid was intended to cover the flying into summer of 2020. The extra bids and changes since then have been because network has expanded our block hour plans quite a bit since CR posted the bid and Airbus continues to struggle on deliveries causing fleet mix changes.

What I don’t understand is, I’m moving up 35-50 numbers a month on the seniority list, by virtue of retirements, and yet the number of Widebody A openings on the AE’s doesn’t seem to reflect the retirements. Call it 40 a month X 12. If half those retirements were widebody A’s, that’s 240 widebody captains that have left this year. There were quite a few openings on the Jan bid, and then 15 on this last bid. Have there been 240 Widebody captain positions posted this year? And I’m not talking backfills. Straight up posted vacancies only. If there were, that covers attrition only, we’ve taken delivery of several wide bodies this year too. Are the numbers keeping up with attrition? I feel that they haven’t and that’s why I’ve been expecting a big widebody A bid to be coming soon. Nov had 15, so I’m still expecting a big bid in Jan if they want to cover retirements and deliveries for next summer.

Thruster 11-30-2019 02:55 PM


Originally Posted by Big E 757 (Post 2931919)
What I don’t understand is, I’m moving up 35-50 numbers a month on the seniority list, by virtue of retirements, and yet the number of Widebody A openings on the AE’s doesn’t seem to reflect the retirements. Call it 40 a month X 12. If half those retirements were widebody A’s, that’s 240 widebody captains that have left this year. There were quite a few openings on the Jan bid, and then 15 on this last bid. Have there been 240 Widebody captain positions posted this year? And I’m not talking backfills. Straight up posted vacancies only. If there were, that covers attrition only, we’ve taken delivery of several wide bodies this year too. Are the numbers keeping up with attrition? I feel that they haven’t and that’s why I’ve been expecting a big widebody A bid to be coming soon. Nov had 15, so I’m still expecting a big bid in Jan if they want to cover retirements and deliveries for next summer.

Sailingfun can explain it to you

Falcon20 11-30-2019 03:00 PM


Originally Posted by Big E 757 (Post 2931919)
What I don’t understand is, I’m moving up 35-50 numbers a month on the seniority list, by virtue of retirements, and yet the number of Widebody A openings on the AE’s doesn’t seem to reflect the retirements. Call it 40 a month X 12. If half those retirements were widebody A’s, that’s 240 widebody captains that have left this year. There were quite a few openings on the Jan bid, and then 15 on this last bid. Have there been 240 Widebody captain positions posted this year? And I’m not talking backfills. Straight up posted vacancies only. If there were, that covers attrition only, we’ve taken delivery of several wide bodies this year too. Are the numbers keeping up with attrition? I feel that they haven’t and that’s why I’ve been expecting a big widebody A bid to be coming soon. Nov had 15, so I’m still expecting a big bid in Jan if they want to cover retirements and deliveries for next summer.

They are only retiring guys that have been bypassed. :)

MJP27 11-30-2019 03:00 PM


Originally Posted by Big E 757 (Post 2931919)
What I don’t understand is, I’m moving up 35-50 numbers a month on the seniority list, by virtue of retirements, and yet the number of Widebody A openings on the AE’s doesn’t seem to reflect the retirements. Call it 40 a month X 12. If half those retirements were widebody A’s, that’s 240 widebody captains that have left this year. There were quite a few openings on the Jan bid, and then 15 on this last bid. Have there been 240 Widebody captain positions posted this year? And I’m not talking backfills. Straight up posted vacancies only. If there were, that covers attrition only, we’ve taken delivery of several wide bodies this year too. Are the numbers keeping up with attrition? I feel that they haven’t and that’s why I’ve been expecting a big widebody A bid to be coming soon. Nov had 15, so I’m still expecting a big bid in Jan if they want to cover retirements and deliveries for next summer.

I’m pretty sure there aren’t 40 widebody CAs retiring a month......


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