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Bert Sampson 01-11-2020 03:55 AM


Originally Posted by Xray678 (Post 2954791)
Blaming the lack of summer vacation on a leap year is insulting. The airline is not staffed properly.

To be fair, he blamed it on the extra Feb day and wanting/needing to keep summer ALVs down. So it doesn’t take much to read between the lines and see S T A F F I N G.

Tadertot 01-11-2020 03:57 AM

So all 320B ALV’s in Feb are almost 82, which is higher than the target summer ALV of 81.5? Because, leap year.
I think it has to do with the Gumm staffing model we embraced prior to the 2019 summer, no?

Xray678 01-11-2020 04:07 AM


Originally Posted by Bert Sampson (Post 2954802)
To be fair, he blamed it on the extra Feb day and wanting/needing to keep summer ALVs down. So it doesn’t take much to read between the lines and see S T A F F I N G.

No, I agree. But it’s not like they don’t know about a leap year in advance. My point was more that for him to even mention the leap year, is insulting.

Edited to add, I’ve been saying for months that we will be understaffed this summer. Recently one of the ADG asked me what evidence I had that were are or will be understaffed. Here you go. They could have started to hire earlier to prepare for a leap year, if it was truly going to have that much impact. I’ve been here 24 years. Never in that time have they mentioned a leap year affecting vacation, ALVs, or staffing.

tunes 01-11-2020 04:30 AM


Originally Posted by Trip7 (Post 2954599)
Jan 17th is the rumored date. Mega AE due to no March AE. SEA 220 and a new 350 base to open on a later bid this year

Exciting times

Sent from my SM-G975U1 using Tapatalk

let's see how this plays out compared to your last AE prediction which missed the mark by a few planets.

RonRicco 01-11-2020 04:40 AM


Originally Posted by FangsF15 (Post 2954800)
I don't think I'd go that far. BS strikes me as a guy doing the best with the hand he is dealt, and trying to be a lot more open/transparent with the processes. I doubt the summer vacation reduction was his idea.

The bigger issue is "Status quo". I hope the union is on this. Somehow having more Thanksgiving and Christmas weeks available seems like a ploy to fix their summer staffing problem.

This is not a status quo violation. This has already been through the grievance process and our argument was “past practice” and we lost. As long as the company made at least a week available each of the 52, then they were good to go.

We do have some contractual language now (needs to be improved) over allotment, but unless they violated the contract or did something completely radical with the allotment and you could show it was trying to manipulate negotiations, it isn’t gonna fly.

DWC CAP10 USAF 01-11-2020 05:28 AM


Originally Posted by SkiBum95 (Post 2954778)
Just watched the Crew Resources video. If I understood it, it sounded to me like they removed the vacation days in order to decrease the ALVs (by increasing the number of pilots available.) He did mention Feb as a 31 day bid month and therefore ALV was higher there too. It sounds like they are playing so close to the staffing margins that a Feb increased ALV may have impacted the summer ops slightly. (TLV impact maybe? but I’m not a expert in these black arts.)

Another great QOL improvement driven by our staffing shortages...

^ This right here

crewdawg 01-11-2020 05:44 AM


Originally Posted by FangsF15 (Post 2954800)
Somehow having more Thanksgiving and Christmas weeks available seems like a ploy to fix their summer staffing problem.

Right! I couldn't care less about more vacation weeks during Thanksgiving and Christmas. They do nothing for me.

Falcon20 01-11-2020 05:44 AM


Originally Posted by Xray678 (Post 2954808)
No, I agree. But it’s not like they don’t know about a leap year in advance. My point was more that for him to even mention the leap year, is insulting.

Edited to add, I’ve been saying for months that we will be understaffed this summer. Recently one of the ADG asked me what evidence I had that were are or will be understaffed. Here you go. They could have started to hire earlier to prepare for a leap year, if it was truly going to have that much impact. I’ve been here 24 years. Never in that time have they mentioned a leap year affecting vacation, ALVs, or staffing.

But an 80% reduction in summer vacation yields a 20% increase in holiday vacation. To quote BS “That’s great news!”

Go Cards go 01-11-2020 06:55 AM


Originally Posted by Falcon20 (Post 2954843)
But an 80% reduction in summer vacation yields a 20% increase in holiday vacation. To quote BS “That’s great news!”

Yeah pretty great Bob. I sit near 20% in my category. Couldn’t hold a July week or Christmas off. I’m sure my family will enjoy their summer vacation without me. But hey, at least there are plenty of good weeks available in February for round two.

sailingfun 01-11-2020 07:58 AM


Originally Posted by Go Cards go (Post 2954870)
Yeah pretty great Bob. I sit near 20% in my category. Couldn’t hold a July week or Christmas off. I’m sure my family will enjoy their summer vacation without me. But hey, at least there are plenty of good weeks available in February for round two.

What did you hold?


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