Originally Posted by Herkflyr

There's no doubt, but it's not "some" reason. It's the ridiculous, "let's give senior captains a large lump sum payment as they walk out the door" idea.

Or the company can drag their feet indefinitely and save $200K for every pilot that retires prior to an eventual agreement.

Given the large retirements ongoing, and scheduled to accelerate, now comes the inevitable "gee I can't imagine WHY the company would want to drag their feet."

What's amusing is the idea that all the upcoming retirements and associated training "crisis" somehow gave us lots of leverage. Even if true (and I am not buying it) the retirement proposal eviscerated that hypothetical leverage.

We're in for the long haul now. I'm glad we were wise enough to reject TA1, and also wise enough to ratify TA2.

Originally Posted by Der Meister

While I agree it's a big ask, I highly doubt it's just that. If that were the case then we might have had a few more responses to some more sections. They are stalling to get through the summer before they drop the bomb on us about how they really feel about us. We are just numbers on a spreadsheet where they have said they want to keep costs as low as possible. So dispite what roses flight ops tries to paint they are going to ask for more QOL concession.

Originally Posted by gloopy

That doesn't explain their behavior though. Its very reasonable and even common to have big ticket QOL improvements phased in. If we get significant vaca day (pay and credit for the LCW is mandatory) it wouldn't take effect for the 2020 vacation year. It could go to 4:15 for 2021 and 5:15 for 2022 for example. Gives them plenty of time to prepare for it without effecting summer 2020 in the slightest. Same for just about everything else. DH QOL improvements could take effect immediately (or after a fake delay for IT implimentation LOL gotta love that one).

So getting through just this summer doesn't seem like the reason. Also if its tue that they slid a POS section 23 across the table with even the smallest of concessions as some are saying, they may really think we're dumb enough (or can be bullied through the threat of lost TVM) to give them more prodctivity (aka QOL hits) to get whatever 6/3/3 they think we'll bite off on. Nope. QOL has to improve and much of it has to undo the QOL shredding optimizer "we didn't think they'd do that" hits that have occured since the last contract.

Now your other point about them simply pocketing their designed delay of QOL impovements is certainly valid. Those private islands aren't going to buy themelves.

Originally Posted by Der Meister

While I agree it's a big ask, I highly doubt it's just that. If that were the case then we might have had a few more responses to some more sections. They are stalling to get through the summer before they drop the bomb on us about how they really feel about us. We are just numbers on a spreadsheet where they have said they want to keep costs as low as possible. So dispite what roses flight ops tries to paint they are going to ask for more QOL concession.

Originally Posted by Nantonaku

Waiting until there could be a new president is not without risk. Sanders had some fairly radical ideas that would most likely favor labor.

Originally Posted by Buck Rogers

The LEC's were elected by their constituents...you know, the tougher negotiating stance demanders....what could possibly go wrong? Hmmm....I guess this might be a possibility. Ya mean hard nose negotiating doesn't automatically lead to management bent over the negotiating table with their pants down? Say it ain't so Joe!


But I am glad we are happy to be so wise

Originally Posted by Nantonaku

Waiting until there could be a new president is not without risk. Sanders had some fairly radical ideas that would most likely favor labor.

Originally Posted by Lifeisgood

Finally we are negotiating from Up Down instead of the other way around

We should ask for 300% increase and then settle down somewhere between 300% and 28 million!

Originally Posted by Trip7

Have you read the book Never Split the Difference by Chris Voss? I have a strong feeling that Management has

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