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01-08-2020, 10:38 PM

#31

Stinsat7

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Can someone please explain how publicly bashing your own union during Section 6 is supposed to help you? If you’ve got a problem air it on a private board or call your reps.

01-09-2020, 02:31 AM

#32

dbrownie

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Originally Posted by Trip7

Agreed. I'm pretty much sure it's the astronomical retirement ask that caused this.

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“I am pretty sure”

Astronomic retirement ask?
Yes that’s what derailed all of this, please share with us your insight to the companies reasonable, generous offer.

Then compare it to the unions astronomic one.

We have been played yet again by the company.

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01-09-2020, 03:07 AM

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sailingfun

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Originally Posted by Denny Crane

When hasn't the Company lowballed us? This time we are "highballing" their "lowball."

Denny

It appears the company has not low balled us. They have not responded at all.

01-09-2020, 03:19 AM

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Originally Posted by bronco21016

Can someone put $28 million in perspective for a new guy? I don’t think my last carrier’s pilot agreement was worth even half of that so it’s hard to decide how I should feel about it.

One person mentioned $1,900/pilot. That’s sad. But I’m looking more for history etc.

28 million is again a meaningless number until the company provides their table positions for the pay, scheduling, retirement and vacation sections which contain 90% of the direct dollar value of the contract.
Our opener I understand was about a 2.0 to 2.5 billion ask but the union has not put out a number.
The union continuing to throw out the 28 million number is somewhat insulting as they are implying pilots are not very smart. What they should have said is the company has stopped all negotiations without providing table positions on sections x,x,x,x.

01-09-2020, 03:22 AM

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sailingfun

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Originally Posted by hvydvr

Saw this posted on FB. Keeping the math simple. Company made
$6000 in profit last year. The company offered up improvements totaling $28. I’m reasonably clear on how I feel about that.

One last time. The company made no offer on sections of financial importance.

01-09-2020, 03:27 AM

#36

sailingfun

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Originally Posted by PassportPlump

You guys go keep this operation going. We have 4% more flying scheduled this summer with the same amount of pilots. They’re going to rely on your can do attitude and *****ish greenslipping selves time make it happen.

So we have 950 retirements from 1 Sep this year to 1 June next year?

01-09-2020, 03:34 AM

#37

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Originally Posted by CBreezy

Honest question: how much of the $6000 are we entitled to?

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More than what is being spent on stock buybacks. That’s how much.

01-09-2020, 03:47 AM

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Originally Posted by PilotJ3

$5999.99

Cool. Can you tell me where I can work when I get furloughed?

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01-09-2020, 03:49 AM

#39

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Originally Posted by sailingfun

One last time. The company made no offer on sections of financial importance.

Sailing is spot on here. This is the same strategy the Union implemented after the Korean JV ruling. Mislead the pilot group through inflammatory rhetoric

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01-09-2020, 04:05 AM

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Originally Posted by sailingfun

One last time. The company made no offer on sections of financial importance.

And one more time, I get it. Laid a big fat nothing burger of an opener an the table and proceeded to optimize the hell out of last summer. ****ed away all of 2019 with no discernible effort on any of the big financial sections of the PWA, threw $28M on the table after the three most successful years in the company’s history then walked away from the table.

Trip. The rhetoric isn’t inflammatory if the facts speak for themselves.