March Bid packages?
02-06-2020 | 04:00 AM
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I agree - a few years ago I asked Crew Resources why did they have so many 5 day trips in the DTW 737 bid package. "To reduce credit" was the answer. I then asked, well, what's the use when open time is full of 5 day trips that you have to split into two 4 days to cover? Uses 8 days of reserves...
The answer, in a lot more words than this, was, "reducing credit is the goal of crew resources, covering trips is crew scheduling's issue"
The answer, in a lot more words than this, was, "reducing credit is the goal of crew resources, covering trips is crew scheduling's issue"
02-06-2020 | 04:01 AM
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the reason I brought it up is when I saw trans cons and domestic 2 days show up in the 765 package in nyc they went very junior and some junior commuters were hammered with 7-8 uncommutable 2 days a month. I was just wondering how the bidding patterns would look in Atlanta as a comparison.
02-06-2020 | 04:10 AM
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the reason I brought it up is when I saw trans cons and domestic 2 days show up in the 765 package in nyc they went very junior and some junior commuters were hammered with 7-8 uncommutable 2 days a month. I was just wondering how the bidding patterns would look in Atlanta as a comparison.
02-06-2020 | 04:57 AM
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Sailing, having worked with the company in the scheduling arena I'm saying nope. They may SAY they care about post month credit, but they really don't (though they should!). Everything is subservient to "reducing credit" premonth, even when the end result is a fiasco.
I'll never forget when the 717Bs were critically understaffed a few years ago (completely inexcusable in an entry-level position). Due to TLV constraints the company had to keep the ALV lower than they would have liked. Given that, lots of 4-day trips in the bid package would have been a bad idea, as three four-days is not enough to get you in the LCW, and in that month, four 4-days would have been outside the LCW on the high end.
Nevertheless, the computer, mandated to "reduce credit" above all, chose to build an ATL bid package with 90% (!) 4 and 5 day trips. No one at crew resources hit the "manual override button", no one said, "hmmm...maybe the default solution won't work out this time and we need to do a little holistic proactive change to the solution."
As a result...and I counted them one by one...AFTER the PBS bid runs were complete, there were 163 4-day trips left in open time in that category. Endless rolling thunder GS and regular line GSWC ensued. In no universe ever would I believe anyone from the company who might have opined "yes, this is the optimal solution." All the company had to do was build a healthy number of shorter-than-four-day trips (no hard in the 717 world!) and this all would have been avoided.
I'm not convinced that they are thinking much differently now as then.
02-06-2020 | 05:17 AM
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Sailing, having worked with the company in the scheduling arena I'm saying nope. They may SAY they care about post month credit, but they really don't (though they should!). Everything is subservient to "reducing credit" premonth, even when the end result is a fiasco.
I'll never forget when the 717Bs were critically understaffed a few years ago (completely inexcusable in an entry-level position). Due to TLV constraints the company had to keep the ALV lower than they would have liked. Given that, lots of 4-day trips in the bid package would have been a bad idea, as three four-days is not enough to get you in the LCW, and in that month, four 4-days would have been outside the LCW on the high end.
Nevertheless, the computer, mandated to "reduce credit" above all, chose to build an ATL bid package with 90% (!) 4 and 5 day trips. No one at crew resources hit the "manual override button", no one said, "hmmm...maybe the default solution won't work out this time and we need to do a little holistic proactive change to the solution."
As a result...and I counted them one by one...AFTER the PBS bid runs were complete, there were 163 4-day trips left in open time in that category. Endless rolling thunder GS and regular line GSWC ensued. In no universe ever would I believe anyone from the company who might have opined "yes, this is the optimal solution." All the company had to do was build a healthy number of shorter-than-four-day trips (no hard in the 717 world!) and this all would have been avoided.
I'm not convinced that they are thinking much differently now as then.
I'll never forget when the 717Bs were critically understaffed a few years ago (completely inexcusable in an entry-level position). Due to TLV constraints the company had to keep the ALV lower than they would have liked. Given that, lots of 4-day trips in the bid package would have been a bad idea, as three four-days is not enough to get you in the LCW, and in that month, four 4-days would have been outside the LCW on the high end.
Nevertheless, the computer, mandated to "reduce credit" above all, chose to build an ATL bid package with 90% (!) 4 and 5 day trips. No one at crew resources hit the "manual override button", no one said, "hmmm...maybe the default solution won't work out this time and we need to do a little holistic proactive change to the solution."
As a result...and I counted them one by one...AFTER the PBS bid runs were complete, there were 163 4-day trips left in open time in that category. Endless rolling thunder GS and regular line GSWC ensued. In no universe ever would I believe anyone from the company who might have opined "yes, this is the optimal solution." All the company had to do was build a healthy number of shorter-than-four-day trips (no hard in the 717 world!) and this all would have been avoided.
I'm not convinced that they are thinking much differently now as then.
02-06-2020 | 05:41 AM
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02-06-2020 | 11:14 AM
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