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Old 02-06-2020 | 12:37 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
Thats not exactly true. The company actually monitors both pre month credit and post month credit. The number they pay the most attention to is post month. This has been discussed in CR letters.
They don't do anything about it, though. All their actions are pre-month input.
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Old 02-06-2020 | 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Herkflyr
Sailing, having worked with the company in the scheduling arena I'm saying nope. They may SAY they care about post month credit, but they really don't (though they should!). Everything is subservient to "reducing credit" premonth, even when the end result is a fiasco.

I'll never forget when the 717Bs were critically understaffed a few years ago (completely inexcusable in an entry-level position). Due to TLV constraints the company had to keep the ALV lower than they would have liked. Given that, lots of 4-day trips in the bid package would have been a bad idea, as three four-days is not enough to get you in the LCW, and in that month, four 4-days would have been outside the LCW on the high end.

Nevertheless, the computer, mandated to "reduce credit" above all, chose to build an ATL bid package with 90% (!) 4 and 5 day trips. No one at crew resources hit the "manual override button", no one said, "hmmm...maybe the default solution won't work out this time and we need to do a little holistic proactive change to the solution."

As a result...and I counted them one by one...AFTER the PBS bid runs were complete, there were 163 4-day trips left in open time in that category. Endless rolling thunder GS and regular line GSWC ensued. In no universe ever would I believe anyone from the company who might have opined "yes, this is the optimal solution." All the company had to do was build a healthy number of shorter-than-four-day trips (no hard in the 717 world!) and this all would have been avoided.


I'm not convinced that they are thinking much differently now as then.
Bingo! I called in this week and it took 3 pilots to cover what I was supposed to do including 2 GS's.
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Old 02-06-2020 | 12:40 PM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
They don't do anything about it, though. All their actions are pre-month input.
Probably because it’s hard to measure credit that you didn’t spend by spending more up front.
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Old 02-06-2020 | 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by fishforfun
Seeing the bottom guys getting those uncommutable transcons kept me from bidding the 76-400.
You can’t look in the past where the 767-400 or the A330 flew out of New York. All JFK-SFO is now on the 757 and JFK-LAX is on the 767, with very few exceptions. You have to look forward with Travelnet. Not perfect but it’s a useful tool.

Both the -400 and 330 will be almost exclusively international out of JFK. The -400 will do all the LHR soon. It can always change but that’s the plan for 2020 at the moment.

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Old 02-06-2020 | 04:55 PM
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Originally Posted by ERflyer
You can’t look in the past where the 767-400 or the A330 flew out of New York. All JFK-SFO is now on the 757 and JFK-LAX is on the 767, with very few exceptions. You have to look forward with Travelnet. Not perfect but it’s a useful tool.

Both the -400 and 330 will be almost exclusively international out of JFK. The -400 will do all the LHR soon. It can always change but that’s the plan for 2020 at the moment.
You really can’t blame guys for not bidding it in NYC though. When the LAX/SFO was seasonal -only in 16, it was bearable because the 2-days were temporary and commutable. Then when they came back in 17 to stay, the 2-days quickly became permanent and uncommitable. They a tayed through the winter of 17/18 and guys started bailing, which allowed it to go wayyyyyy junior to where it was. Only recently after the cabin mods have the uncommutable 2-days gone away. I was surprised it stayed fairly junior this past bid. I’ll be extra surprised if the next MOAB stays so junior. It’s a great jet, with 76% ultra-commutable 3 days trips. Perfect for east coast commuters.
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Old 02-06-2020 | 06:30 PM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
They don't do anything about it, though. All their actions are pre-month input.
Go back and read the newsletters on changes they claim they made. They increased minimum connect times and overnight times among things they mentioned.
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Old 02-06-2020 | 06:53 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
Go back and read the newsletters on changes they claim they made. They increased minimum connect times and overnight times among things they mentioned.
That has not actually transpired.
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Old 02-06-2020 | 06:57 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
Go back and read the newsletters on changes they claim they made. They increased minimum connect times and overnight times among things they mentioned.
Key word is “claim”
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Old 02-07-2020 | 03:11 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
Go back and read the newsletters on changes they claim they made. They increased minimum connect times and overnight times among things they mentioned.
CR also claimed they would not add a leg after a MEX turn, but they did! They said since it was a SAQ airport that is one of the more difficult ones they didnt want to because of safety. Welp, I guess MEX got super safe now.

Also, you flown into SLC lately, they schedule 47 min turns with plane swaps.
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Old 02-07-2020 | 05:19 AM
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Also, you flown into SLC lately, they schedule 47 min turns with plane swaps.
I think every plane swap I’ve had in ATL was 47 min...at least I went from term A to F.
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