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Old 03-13-2020 | 05:02 PM
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Originally Posted by full of luv
Again, besides paying you absurds amounts of wages of course.....what would you have them do with buckets of free cash pouring into the company coffers which they ultimately don't feel comfortable expanding operations with? When you buyback shares you also spread the dividend going forward over fewer shares which again raises the stock yield. A well run company will do many things with it's extra cash.
Fine. Then reissue new shares.
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Old 03-13-2020 | 07:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Speed Select
Will they typically freeze the USERRA clock for pilots senior enough to avoid furlough, but who are willing to go on orders to allow a more junior pilot to stay employed?

VLOA vs MLOA has benefits ramifications. Just wondering what the historical precedent is.
If your offer is to go out so the junior pilot can stay employed, you should be able to take a voluntary leave of absence for that timeframe if it gets to that point.
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Old 03-13-2020 | 07:16 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
Contracts are normally 3 years. We gave the 4th year as a concession in TA2. We could easily have completed a contract in Dec worth at least a billion in improvements to the pilot group and probably In excess of 1.5 billion. We would have exchanged openers for the next contract in about 2 years. I am not sure we will have this one done in 2 years but I will take 18 months in the pool. That delay will force it into a 4 year deal amendable 31 Dec 2023. Contracts that go well past amendable dates typically end up netting a couple percent over what could have been completed on time but more importantly delay the progression multiple contracts bring. We now also face a real possibility AMR or UAL sign before us and lock the bar.
Not completing the contract on time will be a tremendous loss to your family. It will come to you eventually.
”Pigs get fed, hogs get slaughtered”
So... you are arguing that we should have made ourselves more expensive because now the company can't afford us being more expensive?

You've been here too long to be this naïve. Well, I guess you haven't been, but your rambling doesn't make sense unless I look at it through the lens that you are whining that you aren't currently getting more money in the bank. I'm perfectly fine waiting as long as it takes for the right contract, and there was no way to predict it would come out like this. I am perfectly content waiting until things turn around to get a new contract if that's what it takes. And I don't really see us costing $1 billion more a year being to our benefit right now.
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Old 03-13-2020 | 07:52 PM
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Originally Posted by full of luv
Again, besides paying you absurds amounts of wages of course.....what would you have them do with buckets of free cash pouring into the company coffers which they ultimately don't feel comfortable expanding operations with? When you buyback shares you also spread the dividend going forward over fewer shares which again raises the stock yield. A well run company will do many things with it's extra cash.

You make a good point, in fact it would be a great point if the company did not borrow money for some of the buybacks. I agree the stockholders as owners should be high on the list for excess cash, I just don’t like buybacks. Isn’t there some mechanism that would allow a one time dividend bonus that would not raise the expectations for future dividends? If not maybe I will invent it.

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Old 03-13-2020 | 09:45 PM
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Old 03-13-2020 | 10:05 PM
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Is LOA 9-3 flow down still in effect?

Delta guys still gave flown down rights to Compass.

Expensive AF to retain all of the Compass list.
how much per E175 type? X 470 pilots = may not furlough to avoid this headache.
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Old 03-13-2020 | 11:02 PM
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Originally Posted by bohicagain
Is LOA 9-3 flow down still in effect?

Delta guys still gave flown down rights to Compass.

Expensive AF to retain all of the Compass list.
how much per E175 type? X 470 pilots = may not furlough to avoid this headache.


Not gonna happen. That flowback went away when DL sold Compass to Trans States a while ago.

Besides, all remaining 12 DL birds at Compass to be returned by the end of the month, leaving no DL birds.

Compass to furlough about 170-ish people. Only enough to fly the AA 175's will remain.
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Old 03-14-2020 | 01:41 AM
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Originally Posted by bohicagain
Is LOA 9-3 flow down still in effect?

Delta guys still gave flown down rights to Compass.

Expensive AF to retain all of the Compass list.
how much per E175 type? X 470 pilots = may not furlough to avoid this headache.
As I read it, Sec 1 B 47 e-f, the flow down is tied to the 35 aircraft, and not specifically to Compass. So it is still in effect. I could be wrong though.
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Old 03-14-2020 | 03:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Scoop
You make a good point, in fact it would be a great point if the company did not borrow money for some of the buybacks. I agree the stockholders as owners should be high on the list for excess cash, I just don’t like buybacks. Isn’t there some mechanism that would allow a one time dividend bonus that would not raise the expectations for future dividends? If not maybe I will invent it.

Scoop
It does seem absurd to borrow to buy your stock, but I think that most mgmts are leery of being in the position where you have lots of cash, low debt to a point because with a small slowdown in business your stock can sink leaving you vulnerable to a takeover in which someone ultimately uses your own cash to eventually fund the takeover process. Ultimately though, I agree, at this moment having the cash on hand would be helpful and when the stock picks up a bit, they should be able to reissue some shares to raise some money if needed. Heck, Berkshire Hathaway just bought in, so there is some support for what the plan going forward is. Best to all of us!
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Old 03-14-2020 | 05:34 AM
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Originally Posted by full of luv
It does seem absurd to borrow to buy your stock, but I think that most mgmts are leery of being in the position where you have lots of cash, low debt to a point because with a small slowdown in business your stock can sink leaving you vulnerable to a takeover in which someone ultimately uses your own cash to eventually fund the takeover process. Ultimately though, I agree, at this moment having the cash on hand would be helpful and when the stock picks up a bit, they should be able to reissue some shares to raise some money if needed. Heck, Berkshire Hathaway just bought in, so there is some support for what the plan going forward is. Best to all of us!
We are going to need cash from all sources. Stock reissues, private debt and government grants/loans. And then burn it as slow as we can over the next year. I’m sure the CFO has a helmet fire right now.

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