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waldo135 03-27-2020 02:28 PM


Originally Posted by Jaww (Post 3013566)
I have no problem commuting in at 1400 for my original trip. I have no problem sitting at home 1400-2000 and listen for the phone to ring. My problem is I can’t commute in for a 0200-0800 report time. Because I can’t feasibly make that (tough times for most normal situation commutes) I’m planning on being a good pilot and be in place which will be coming in the day before. I hope I’m wrong on this interpretation too.

Again, this is why I don’t bid reserve.

Then don’t acknowledge the NOOP. You then are on the hook at the airport for the first 6 hours. Problem solved. (I think)

hockeypilot44 03-27-2020 02:38 PM


Originally Posted by ERflyer (Post 3014128)
It seems they are not NOOPing some trips, even though all legs are canceled, and making people commute in to sign in for the trip. After sign in they NOOP the trip. This avoids placing people on 23K and giving them the 12 hour call out. It makes them sit 6 hour short call in base instead. Anyone else heard of this?

Most of my trips in APR already 23k.

fishforfun 03-27-2020 02:54 PM


Originally Posted by hockeypilot44 (Post 3014202)
Most of my trips in APR already 23k.

I believe the answer is you get paid for the greater of the 2. To me, WSing on a 23k trip is picking your poison to avoid being assigned some turd. But, and that’s a sir mix a lot size but, I am not well versed in section 23 in general.

GogglesPisano 03-27-2020 03:42 PM

How many times can they change your future rotation? I thought 23K was a 1-shot deal.

Kjazz130 03-27-2020 03:57 PM


Originally Posted by GogglesPisano (Post 3014298)
How many times can they change your future rotation? I thought 23K was a 1-shot deal.

they can 23k your rotation and assign you a recovery trip. If they alter the recovery trip prior to the first airborne leg then you have no recovery obligation.

Kjazz130 03-27-2020 03:59 PM


Originally Posted by fishforfun (Post 3014219)
I believe the answer is you get paid for the greater of the 2. To me, WSing on a 23k trip is picking your poison to avoid being assigned some turd. But, and that’s a sir mix a lot size but, I am not well versed in section 23 in general.

a 23k trip is subject to recovery assignment. If you want to pick your poison submit a recovery slip for a trip that is at least 50% of the original trip. If that trip is cancelled then you can WS or GS over that and get paid double.

GogglesPisano 03-27-2020 04:14 PM


Originally Posted by Kjazz130 (Post 3014314)
they can 23k your rotation and assign you a recovery trip. If they alter the recovery trip prior to the first airborne leg then you have no recovery obligation.

My future rotation has been changed twice over the past week. Does this mean I should call them on it? We’re not talking “recovery obligation.” This is days away.

How many changes can they make to a rotation that is days away?

3 green 03-27-2020 04:53 PM


Originally Posted by GogglesPisano (Post 3014332)
My future rotation has been changed twice over the past week. Does this mean I should call them on it? We’re not talking “recovery obligation.” This is days away.

How many changes can they make to a rotation that is days away?

Only single 23K is allowed. Any double 23K is not allowed except in weather irops where your city is listed allowing the double 23K..i think anyone who gets double 23K now can call scheduling and tell them it's illegal and they will remove the rotation and pay you.. This would be a good issue for ALPA to send info out telling us how to handle it

Kjazz130 03-27-2020 05:02 PM


Originally Posted by GogglesPisano (Post 3014332)
My future rotation has been changed twice over the past week. Does this mean I should call them on it? We’re not talking “recovery obligation.” This is days away.

How many changes can they make to a rotation that is days away?

Call CS first. If you don’t get it fixed ask for a supervisor. Then call ALPA.

site 23K and 23L.

You can mention you were given 23k recovery and now your recovery rotation has been altered prior to the first airborne leg.

Jaww 03-27-2020 05:03 PM


Originally Posted by 3 green (Post 3014365)
Only single 23K is allowed. Any double 23K is not allowed except in weather irops where your city is listed allowing the double 23K..i think anyone who gets double 23K now can call scheduling and tell them it's illegal and they will remove the rotation and pay you.. This would be a good issue for ALPA to send info out telling us how to handle it

Ive had a reroute in the middle already for a trip 3 days away. Does that count as #1? Because now the new stuff is showing legs cancelled.


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