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sailingfun 03-27-2020 05:08 AM


Originally Posted by Jaww (Post 3013561)
I get that but I’m still gonna have to commute in so it doesn’t matter. I can’t see how you don’t get that.

This change does not force you to commute in. Keep in mind they are paying you the full value of your original trip. You would have had to commute in if your trip operated correct? I would also read the latest from the company where they state that with the reduction in flights they understand it may not be possible to have a backup flight and to contact the CPSC if there will be issues.

Jaww 03-27-2020 05:12 AM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 3013564)
This change does not force you to commute in. Keep in mind they are paying you the full value of your original trip. You would have had to commute in if your trip operated correct? I would also read the latest from the company where they state that with the reduction in flights they understand it may not be possible to have a backup flight and to contact the CPSC if there will be issues.

I have no problem commuting in at 1400 for my original trip. I have no problem sitting at home 1400-2000 and listen for the phone to ring. My problem is I can’t commute in for a 0200-0800 report time. Because I can’t feasibly make that (tough times for most normal situation commutes) I’m planning on being a good pilot and be in place which will be coming in the day before. I hope I’m wrong on this interpretation too.

Again, this is why I don’t bid reserve.

fishforfun 03-27-2020 05:30 AM


Originally Posted by Jaww (Post 3013566)
I have no problem commuting in at 1400 for my original trip. I have no problem sitting at home 1400-2000 and listen for the phone to ring. My problem is I can’t commute in for a 0200-0800 report time. Because I can’t feasibly make that (tough times for most normal situation commutes) I’m planning on being a good pilot and be in place which will be coming in the day before. I hope I’m wrong on this interpretation too.

Again, this is why I don’t bid reserve.

^^^this^^^

snap03 03-27-2020 06:00 AM

New guy question
 
Can scheduling change my ewr trip into a jfk trip without my consent? I don’t see my trip listed as 23k. Makes a huge difference in commute/drive. Thank you!

hockeypilot44 03-27-2020 06:21 AM


Originally Posted by Jaww (Post 3013566)
I have no problem commuting in at 1400 for my original trip. I have no problem sitting at home 1400-2000 and listen for the phone to ring. My problem is I can’t commute in for a 0200-0800 report time. Because I can’t feasibly make that (tough times for most normal situation commutes) I’m planning on being a good pilot and be in place which will be coming in the day before. I hope I’m wrong on this interpretation too.

Again, this is why I don’t bid reserve.

This. Will the company get us a hotel room to sit in? Is that what the LOA did? I don't really know.

Jaww 03-27-2020 06:23 AM

I specifically bid for afternoon sign ins to commute. Now I’m forced to have morning uncommutable sign ins. Exact opposite of what I bid. A thunderstorm IROP I get but not an entire month of bidding. Surely this wasn’t the intent.

sailingfun 03-27-2020 06:37 AM


Originally Posted by Jaww (Post 3013621)
I specifically bid for afternoon sign ins to commute. Now I’m forced to have morning uncommutable sign ins. Exact opposite of what I bid. A thunderstorm IROP I get but not an entire month of bidding. Surely this wasn’t the intent.

They can not make you report earlier than your scheduled sign in.

DWC CAP10 USAF 03-27-2020 06:46 AM

More Pictures, less words
 
Is there anyone smart enough to make a flow chart with pictures for the paste eaters like me?

Kind of a "Does your schedule show 23K....Yes / No" ....."have you acknowleded the new rotation...Yes / No"

GogglesPisano 03-27-2020 06:53 AM

Let's say a rotation several days out already has a change with a 23K notation at the bottom. A live leg at the end of the rotation was changed to a DH.

1) That was their one and only chance at 23K, correct?

2) But they can still reroute after sign-in?

Jaww 03-27-2020 06:55 AM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 3013631)
They can not make you report earlier than your scheduled sign in.


Dude. I know. I have been engaging you because I thought you might be "helpful." You are totally missing the crux of my point/argument. If I don't commute in normally, in this case early because of new 23K rules, I will have no flights available to make a 12 hour call out window during the entirety of the 6 hour window. I understand I can get an assignment further down the road but I am out of pocket for a good 8 hours of the morning. I doubt anybody will feel for me in crew scheduling, CPO, APC, etc as commuting is a choice. I was presenting a bad side to this change in one person's opinion.


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