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Jaww 03-27-2020 08:05 AM


Originally Posted by Kjazz130 (Post 3013724)
Jaww, I’m a commuter too and I understand your situation. Don’t forget the ability to submit a recovery slip. I had a 4 day trip on 13 Apr noop yesterday. I put in a recovery slip for a commutable 2 day during the footprint and got it. 4 days of pay for a 2 day. Sorry if you already knew this. Just throwing it out there in case.

Thanks for the advice. That is definitely the plan. I know I’m shouting at clouds. It’s better than no paycheck (perspective) but it makes homelife a little less optimum. Commuting is a choice...

konabear 03-27-2020 08:07 AM

I had a 2-day trip starting on the 30th that got noop’d last week. I put in a recovery slip for a 3-day trip also starting on the 30th and was awarded it. The trip had 2 legs on day 1, a 46-hour SJD layover, DH back to base on day 3. Now the leg to SJD has been cancelled. After I fly leg one am I basically a reserve pilot for the rest of the 3 days? Or, since my original trip was only a 2-day, can they only use me for two days?

Kjazz130 03-27-2020 08:13 AM


Originally Posted by konabear (Post 3013737)
I had a 2-day trip starting on the 30th that got noop’d last week. I put in a recovery slip for a 3-day trip also starting on the 30th and was awarded it. The trip had 2 legs on day 1, a 46-hour SJD layover, DH back to base on day 3. Now the leg to SJD has been cancelled. After I fly leg one am I basically a reserve pilot for the rest of the 3 days? Or, since my original trip was only a 2-day, can they only use me for two days?

I am not a contract ninja but I think you have been rerouted prior to the first airborne leg and the new rotation should be noop’d and you should have no recovery obligation and you should be pay protected. I’m sure someone smarter than me will chime in to confirm or refute my statement.

queuetip 03-27-2020 10:25 AM

Is it still 23K if they just cancel your trip one day at a time? Like JAWW above I'm a commuter and I got into position for a sign in that didn't happen. Then they cancelled the whole day. Now they've got me reporting to JFK instead of LGA (not as bad as EWR but still much less convenient for me). The next trip that starts the next day is similar, they've cancelled my first two legs but left the last leg on there so I've got to be in position. I've got no protection if they start cancelling one leg at a time, I just have to sit here in NYC waiting to be used as a reserve except worse because I don't have a RAW score. The company is definitely abusing the intent of 23K, and it's only going to get worse in April.

I might be mistaken, but don't the guys at United get released with pay if a trip isn't put on their schedule with a DEPARTURE time within four hours of their original schedule?

hockeypilot44 03-27-2020 10:53 AM

The union should put out some more guidance on 23k. I know they have in the past, but a flow chart would be nice.

Found scheduling alert 16-03 from 2016. I guess that still applies.

10Basscat 03-27-2020 10:55 AM

Quick question if anyone can help. I had a 4 day trip 29 Mar-1 April worth 22:10. Yesterday the trip changed to a 3 day. My time card shows 22:10 scheduled but only 15:45 for pay time and credit. Am I pay protected for the 22:10 of the original trip? I would certainly hope so but the time card is making me wonder.

queuetip 03-27-2020 10:56 AM

You are pay protected, just remember that all the credit for the trip will be paid on 1 April, or the next bid period. It'll also change the amount that you're able to pick up next month if it increased your credit for April.

10Basscat 03-27-2020 11:00 AM

Thank you. Shouldn’t that credit already show on my April time card though?

DARR31 03-27-2020 11:04 AM

This I think was answered here already, but I will ask again for clarification.

I had a 1 day trip on Monday. It went NOOP and now I am on 23K for the trip. Original show time was 1410 with a release of 2210. They still show me with a release of 2210. With this new 12 hrs, can they still use me and if so, do I need to put in anything for recovery flying or just leave it as is. Also if they do use me, is it true they have to stick to the original release time, plus up to 4 hrs after but cannot go into the next day? Just trying to figure it out since I have a doc app the next day.

Thanks!

exitrow 03-27-2020 11:19 AM


Originally Posted by 10Basscat (Post 3013957)
Thank you. Shouldn’t that credit already show on my April time card though?

I had something similar happen last week. 4 day turned into a 2 day, had the CP office fix it since scheduling is too swamped. My trip this week has the same problem, but still shows open on the time card. Giving it a couple days to see if they correct. If not I'll just stop in the CPO before the next trip for them to fix.


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