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BlueSkies 12-17-2020 03:02 AM

Ok, so yesterday they changed my trip by removing a leg to the layover on day 2, and a leg back on day 3, and in it's place added a domicile layover. Now after the domicile layover I just do a turn and then I'm done.

I've looked through ALPA's guidance and the PWA and I think it's legal, but I thought I read somewhere that domicile layovers aren't allowed in most cases?

From the 23K Checklist:
  • If you were removed from a leg other than the first leg at your base, you may only be assigned to deadhead to and/or fly the remainder of your original rotation.
NOTE: A domicile layover may be legal in this instance if it is necessary to return you to the remaining portion of your original rotation.
Any thoughts?

sailingfun 12-17-2020 04:29 AM


Originally Posted by BlueSkies (Post 3171678)
Ok, so yesterday they changed my trip by removing a leg to the layover on day 2, and a leg back on day 3, and in it's place added a domicile layover. Now after the domicile layover I just do a turn and then I'm done.

I've looked through ALPA's guidance and the PWA and I think it's legal, but I thought I read somewhere that domicile layovers aren't allowed in most cases?

From the 23K Checklist:
  • If you were removed from a leg other than the first leg at your base, you may only be assigned to deadhead to and/or fly the remainder of your original rotation.
NOTE: A domicile layover may be legal in this instance if it is necessary to return you to the remaining portion of your original rotation.
Any thoughts?

Legal unless you are a reserve pilot. They are required to provide you with a hotel if it’s a regular line trip.

BlueSkies 12-17-2020 05:24 AM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 3171693)
Legal unless you are a reserve pilot. They are required to provide you with a hotel if it’s a regular line trip.

Thanks sailing.

Denny Crane 12-17-2020 06:15 AM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 3171676)
You will be subject to recovery flying. You have options to choose a trip from open time. The scheduling reference handbook has a excellent section on how that works. If you do nothing and no flying is assigned prior to report or you don’t acknowledge that flying the following applies.

He must remain immediately available for a period of up to six hours after the originally sched-uled report time and be prepared to depart immediately on recovery flying unless released. The FDP will begin at sign in. 2) He can be assigned flying that reports on any day of the original rotation, and that releases no more than four hours after the originally scheduled release. An international category pilot may be assigned recovery flying scheduled to release no more than four hours after the originally scheduled release, or the same calendar day, whichever is later, provided the last duty period of the recovery flying is a transoceanic duty period. 3) If he is assigned recovery flying that: a) reports at least five hours after notification and in the same duty period, or b) reports after a break in duty and in the same calendar day, he is entitled to a hotel room. 4) Recovery flying must be assigned no later than six hours after the originally scheduled report time.

Thanks Sailingfun. I read all that and figured most of it out. What I’m not really sure about is what does “immediately” mean? Do I have to be suited up and on airport standby....at the airport? I live 25 minutes from airport and can be there within 2 hours easy. Because of COVID I currently can park for free in the airport parking garage. That saves another 15 minutes.

Denny

badflaps 12-17-2020 06:25 AM

A real Widgeteer would be, in uniform, ready to go at a moments notice.

Denny Crane 12-17-2020 06:33 AM


Originally Posted by badflaps (Post 3171727)
A real Widgeteer would be, in uniform, ready to go at a moments notice.

If you haven’t figured it out by now.......that’s not me!;)

Although I can be anal about details sometimes...

Denny

badflaps 12-17-2020 06:39 AM

I forgot that you were "Figmo."

tennisguru 12-17-2020 06:43 AM


Originally Posted by Denny Crane (Post 3171724)
Thanks Sailingfun. I read all that and figured most of it out. What I’m not really sure about is what does “immediately” mean? Do I have to be suited up and on airport standby....at the airport? I live 25 minutes from airport and can be there within 2 hours easy. Because of COVID I currently can park for free in the airport parking garage. That saves another 15 minutes.

Denny

I think the generally accepted definition is that it's the same as a SC callout, which is generally 2 hours. Generally...

Denny Crane 12-17-2020 07:33 AM


Originally Posted by tennisguru (Post 3171743)
I think the generally accepted definition is that it's the same as a SC callout, which is generally 2 hours. Generally...

That’s what I figured and am planning on although I’m pretty sure I won’t be assigned anything. Thanks

Denny

NuGuy 12-17-2020 09:40 AM


Originally Posted by tennisguru (Post 3171743)
I think the generally accepted definition is that it's the same as a SC callout, which is generally 2 hours. Generally...

Which would be specifically incorrect. There’s no time attached to SC other than “promptly available”.

Quit perpetuating that urban legend.


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