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gopher3 04-11-2020 07:33 AM


Originally Posted by fishforfun (Post 3029214)
When I spoke with the union they are seeing a very large amount of illegal recovery rotation assignments due to double 23k.

For example. After the April bid award I had many rotations with changes in them. Now the rotations have NOOPd with 23k on them. The union told me the NOOP is considered the double 23k because the first change was done under 23k.

My original rotation was Nooped. I then put in a recovery slip and was awarded that trip. A few days later that trip was Nooped. That should fulfill the recovery obligation and be done. However on the Reserve Recovery Status page it is still showing a 6 hour window indicating I am on the recovery roster. What am I missing??? This 23k crap needs to be fixed.

Jaww 04-11-2020 07:44 AM


Originally Posted by gopher3 (Post 3029701)
My original rotation was Nooped. I then put in a recovery slip and was awarded that trip. A few days later that trip was Nooped. That should fulfill the recovery obligation and be done. However on the Reserve Recovery Status page it is still showing a 6 hour window indicating I am on the recovery roster. What am I missing??? This 23k crap needs to be fixed.

Im on trip 3 of same situation. Showed the same. Never got a call and they did tell me my recovery was complete.

gopher3 04-11-2020 09:07 AM


Originally Posted by Jaww (Post 3029720)
Im on trip 3 of same situation. Showed the same. Never got a call and they did tell me my recovery was complete.

Thanks Jaww. So....do we have to bother to call them to find out? I don’t see anything contractual on that.

fishforfun 04-11-2020 11:48 AM


Originally Posted by gopher3 (Post 3029701)
My original rotation was Nooped. I then put in a recovery slip and was awarded that trip. A few days later that trip was Nooped. That should fulfill the recovery obligation and be done. However on the Reserve Recovery Status page it is still showing a 6 hour window indicating I am on the recovery roster. What am I missing??? This 23k crap needs to be fixed.

Thats a double 23k and your obligation has been met. Now, get the company to agree.

gopher3 04-11-2020 12:17 PM


Originally Posted by fishforfun (Post 3029915)
Thats a double 23k and your obligation has been met. Now, get the company to agree.

What’s there to agree too? Obligation met. I’m not answering my phone.

fishforfun 04-11-2020 01:10 PM


Originally Posted by gopher3 (Post 3029925)
What’s there to agree too? Obligation met. I’m not answering my phone.

Call the union scheduling committee. There is a disagreement between us and the company whether it’s a double 23k. They will look at your rotation and advise you what to do. My understanding it’s a fly now grieve later.

gopher3 04-11-2020 01:20 PM


Originally Posted by fishforfun (Post 3029966)
Call the union scheduling committee. There is a disagreement between us and the company whether it’s a double 23k. They will look at your rotation and advise you what to do. My understanding it’s a fly now grieve later.

Got it...thanks for the heads up.

DWC CAP10 USAF 04-11-2020 03:43 PM


Originally Posted by fishforfun (Post 3029966)
Call the union scheduling committee. There is a disagreement between us and the company whether it’s a double 23k. They will look at your rotation and advise you what to do. My understanding it’s a fly now grieve later.

First thing sched committee is going to ask is “what did the company say”.

Call CS first...note the date/time/name of who you talked to. If you don’t like the aniseed, THEN email the info to Sched Committee.

GliderCFI 04-11-2020 04:50 PM

So if the recovery trip has a deadhead, that is converted to operating the leg instead of deadheading, prior to sign in...(about to be the second time they've done this one to me)...I understand it's a double 23k that can be shot down. But if I fly and grieve, what's the pay look like?

GliderCFI 04-11-2020 04:51 PM

On another note, if one were to YS a 2 day recovery through PCS to replace a 3 day, is it legal/contractual/possible to use 2 PB days to wipe that off?


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