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hockeypilot44 04-04-2020 05:18 AM
I think right now all of us are against giving up anything. That will probably change when the first furlough warning notices happen.

D B Cooper 04-04-2020 05:22 AM
Originally Posted by CGfalconHerc (Post 3022287)
Take the money, Ed.

Use the Grant's to cover payroll. Use the credit lines and other loans to pay the bills. Take the Gov't loans to stay out of bankruptcy and fend off Dougie Parker.

You remember Dougie Parker..don't you, Ed?

He was one of the only CEO's to take the $250M from the govt for America West after 9/11? He then used it to buy USAir when they went CH11, tried a hostile takeover of Delta, and finally settled on AMR.

Dont put Delta in that situation again over stock options and buy-backs.

Take the money, Ed.
Dont forget the 3 DUI's. He's no quitter

sailingfun 04-04-2020 05:25 AM
Originally Posted by DALMD88FO (Post 3022919)
​​​​​​Wel that $1B you are talking about was for only the Delta pilots of which there were 10,155 when the cuts were made and our pay rates were pretty close to what they are today believe it or not. You would have to also add in what the NWA side of the fence gave as we are a combined airline now.
When the cuts came we were down below 8000 working pilots. Probably closer to 7000.

Mozam 04-04-2020 05:31 AM
Originally Posted by D B Cooper (Post 3022953)
Dont forget the 3 DUI's. He's no quitter


Nor does he believe in Uber. :)

overqualified52 04-04-2020 05:33 AM
Originally Posted by notEnuf (Post 3022043)
With retirement attrition what it is now, I don’t see a retirement package being advantageous. They can just pay minimum line value and have the workforce to immediately move into the market come recovery time or they can pay roughly the same amount and have a large one time training churn that will probably not be in time for quick movement back into the global market.
It will be a real , long time before international travel comes back or makes a comeback because companies and people will be scared . Especially if there is any more of this in the fall and winter and CNN ,MSNBC, and all the network news and morning shows continue to panic and scare everyone. It will be many years I think before international travel gets anywhere close to what it was . So they might as well get as many guys to early retire as they can and hopefully that helps with minimal furlough . The 767’s are going buy, buy , so I think it would be cheaper for buyout packages versus the training costs , but this is just my opinion .

BobZ 04-04-2020 05:42 AM
Originally Posted by overqualified52 (Post 3022959)
It will be a real , long time before international travel comes back or makes a comeback because companies and people will be scared . Especially if there is any more of this in the fall and winter and CNN ,MSNBC, and all the network news and morning shows continue to panic and scare everyone. It will be many years I think before international travel gets anywhere close to what it was . So they might as well get as many guys to early retire as they can and hopefully that helps with minimal furlough . The 767’s are going buy, buy , so I think it would be cheaper for buyout packages versus the training costs , but this is just my opinion .
its possible some international travel will recover between locations that travelers perceive as clear of a virus threat.

I doubt wuhan or anyplace in mainland china will be viewed as safe for a long time

overqualified52 04-04-2020 05:42 AM
Originally Posted by D B Cooper (Post 3022953)
Dont forget the 3 DUI's. He's no quitter
Isn’t he the same Turd that screwed over 20,000 employees in Pittsburgh? Awesome , state of the Art Terminal that has sat empty for years now . It never did make a comeback . But , I’m not a financial or business guru , but do you guys think that Delta or any of these carriers could be split up ? Or is it just everyone fighting for themselves to survive ? You guys in the forum would know better than I .

overqualified52 04-04-2020 05:46 AM
Originally Posted by overqualified52 (Post 3022971)
Isn’t he the same Turd that screwed over 20,000 employees in Pittsburgh? Awesome , state of the Art Terminal that has sat empty for years now . It never did make a comeback . But , I’m not a financial or business guru , but do you guys think that Delta or any of these carriers could be split up ? Or is it just everyone fighting for themselves to survive ? You guys in the forum would know better than I .
or maybe we could do like the United employees did awhile back in the 90’s and all the employees could by Delta when this thing calms down , LOL😂

hockeypilot44 04-04-2020 05:49 AM
Originally Posted by overqualified52 (Post 3022971)
Isn’t he the same Turd that screwed over 20,000 employees in Pittsburgh? Awesome , state of the Art Terminal that has sat empty for years now . It never did make a comeback . But , I’m not a financial or business guru , but do you guys think that Delta or any of these carriers could be split up ? Or is it just everyone fighting for themselves to survive ? You guys in the forum would know better than I .
Pittsburgh did it to itself. Had the highest gate fees in the country and was letting Airtran have free gate fees to encourage competition to lower fares. When US Airways went bankrupt, they wanted to negotiate lower gate fees. Allegheny County refused and offered the exact sames rates. US Airways tried one more time and said if the rates weren't lowered, they would move the whole operation to Philly. Pittsburgh called their bluff, except it wasn't a bluff. Pittsburgh overplayed their hand thinking a new airline would open a hub instantly.

Scoop 04-04-2020 05:52 AM
Originally Posted by hockeypilot44 (Post 3022950)
I think right now all of us are against giving up anything. That will probably change when the first furlough warning notices happen.
Really? You think if we agree to "give" when and if a furlough announcement is made it will affect the companies decision in regard to furloughs? I do not.

Scoop


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